2017 F350 dually with 6.7 opinions

otrfun wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
. . . Just lift the hood on both trucks, that should help with the decision . . .

Agree, for those that may have plans to do any DIY maintenance, lifting the hoods on both trucks is a dramatic study in contrast.

Speaking of maintenance you forgot about the impossible location of the oil filter on the ram. The Ford on the other hand is right next to the oil pan like it should be.

ram oil filter mess

Ford Oil filter

^^^Greene,

Noticed you gave the ram mafia a free pass... Anyways thanks for the compliments and just so you know my truck is just as dependable as the sunrise too... It cranks up every day. :B

FishOnOne wrote:
The 2017 Ford has upgraded their primary filter to a coalescing type of filter for improved water in diesel filtration.

The Ford 6.7 PSD and the transmission is medium duty and are used in the Ford medium duty trucks the F650 and F750. The engine is designed to perform most repairs with the cab on.

Fords powertrain warranty is 5 years/100k miles in the Super Duty and even longer in their medium duty trucks.

Most here couldn't turn a wrench to work on their 6.7 cummins electronic/sensor complicated emissions truck to save their life.

Fiat and cummins are currently sueing each other over emission problems as we speak.

Ram has been plagued by massive safety recalls this year. Quality control is questionable with this many manufacturing escapes to the customer.

The ram truck is made in mexico and is owned by the foreign company Fiat.

The Ford truck is made in the USA and is a US company.

My cousin has been a diesel tech since '93 mostly working on Fords during that time, but has been working on the rams for a few years now. At his shop theirs still more techs working in the ram shop then the Ford shop. Both shops are part of the same dealership.

My 6.7 PSD has 105k miles on it and has not seen a repair to date while others here reporting maybe pushing 30k miles at best on their 6.7 cummins.

Go test drive each one and good luck... May I suggest also test driving a Chevrolet or GMC too (Another US based company I might add).

I would go with the King of the Hill. And the ride quality is second to none.

Atta boy fish!!!
I knew when I clicked on this thread and read the OPs question that you would be along soon and not let us down!!!
Even remembered to include the rhetoric about your 3rd cousin on your uncle's step sisters side twice removed!
Your as predictable and dependable as the sunrise!

Cummins12V98 wrote:
. . . Just lift the hood on both trucks, that should help with the decision . . .

Agree, for those that may have plans to do any DIY maintenance, lifting the hoods on both trucks is a dramatic study in contrast.

Bionic Man wrote:
Ford MPG from Fuelly

RAM MPG from Fuelly.


Both were filtered by 250/2500 and 6.7 engine. They are pretty close in MPG.

I clicked on your links. Although I didn't verify your sampling filter, the results were not what I would call close.

Out of 386 Ram Cummins trucks sampled:
20 percent (77) got 16 MPG
23 percent (88) got 17 MPG
18 percent (68) got 18MPG.

Out of 238 Ford PSD trucks sampled:
19 percent (45) got 14 MPG
24 percent (57) got 15 MPG
21 percent (51) got 16 MPG
09 percent got 17 MPG (vs. 23 percent for the Ram)
07 percent got 18 MPG (vs. 18 percent for the Ram)

All-in-all, there's about a 2 MPG or 13-14 percent difference.

The 2017 SuperDuty trucks are somewhat new vehicles.
They use the same powertrains as last year with a few tweaks. (The bugs have been worked out in the engines' first 6 years.)
The cab is the same as the 2016/2017 F150--so Ford has the bugs worked out of it.
They've got new front end sheet metal, but the biggest difference is in the new frame--a completely new design. And a very heavy, beefy frame it is.

Ford got 17 years out of last generation SuperDuty, and even my 2003 model looks great by any standards. Buy the 2017 SuperDuty, and you won't have to trade it for a long time. That's the value you get--especially since all the 3/4 ton and 1 ton diesels now cost 2x what my F250 costs.

blofgren wrote:

ScottG wrote:
A lot of BS being thrown around about the RAM by the usual sources - dont believe it.
Like I said in my first post, check them all out and buy what you like but dont believe for one second that the RAM/Cummins is anything but reliable.

Exactly. There is a Cummins Million Mile club with many members!

Ok, if that's the case . . . where can the OP find the rv.net Powerstroke Million Mile club with many members? We certainly don't want the OP to get hoodwinked :)

ScottG wrote:
A lot of BS being thrown around about the RAM by the usual sources - dont believe it.
Like I said in my first post, check them all out and buy what you like but dont believe for one second that the RAM/Cummins is anything but reliable.

Exactly. There is a Cummins Million Mile club with many members!

Ford MPG from Fuelly

RAM MPG from Fuelly.


Both were filtered by 250/2500 and 6.7 engine. They are pretty close in MPG.

You can also check the past posts on this forum. I did about 6 mo. ago and discovered a claimed 4 mpg difference between the Cummins (Ram) and the International (Ford). I had driven nothing but Fords since 97. I have talked to many owners of both and determined that when towing there is very little difference in mpg however empty the best either could do is, 6.7 Ford about 17-18 mpg the Ram 6.7 is about 22-23 mpg. Now I will admit that I have not owned the 6.7 ford but I do now own the 6.7 Ram and with 15k miles I have been very happy with 22 mpg highway. Towing 14k 5th wheel about 12 mpg.