2500 Ram payload

Wilber: Your aviation background has no doubt provided you with various zero fuel weights, max taxi weights, max takeoff weights and max landing weights. All of these, if specified by the type certificates, are absolutes and must not be exceeded. My sticker in the door jam specifies the GVWR and is qualified by the wording "should never exceed". This use of the word should is a recommendation, not a legal requirement. This only serves the manufacturer to ensure the vehicle remains within a wide safe range for all road conditions, weather and even driver experience, but does not imply a legal or structural requirement.

Even aviation has how to change the what a flying object can or can not do.
Like the Chinnok copter operator that needed to get to 20k feet on McKinley to rescue someone. They had a 15k spec. Manufacture sent them a 20k spec. Ie lower weight, lower hrs inspections. So away.They went.
Weight.laws in the US any how, DO NOT enforce manufactures ratings. Only road bed max ratings. BenK designing a truck, and spec, is not what is enforced. It is BenK's road bed engineered ability to carry the load that is enforced. Until one wraps their head around this, you will not understand the reason behind enforced ratings.

Marty

Coming from an aviation background I find this whole subject absolutely bizarre. Why even have ratings or specifications for equipment at all if giving a few bucks to a clerk for a higher category license makes them irrelevant?

Getting back to the combo I mentioned, according to the guys who built his truck, (what do they know anyway) he is overweight before he even puts a hitch in it or a bag of groceries in the 5th wheel.

Wilber,
I know of a couple of BIG rig drivers that were legal i' B.C., but over weight her in the states.
Real answer to weight issues, know and understand the laws, not what someone posts on t.v..net or elsewhere like it.
I can pull up laws in Washington state. Have not looked up laws in BC, but would swag similar via nafta, be it one likes that agreement or not.
I'm not too worried about running around lower 48 US states I've manufactures ratings. It is done by hotshot drivers daily, along with many of us doing construction work. If it was a real issue, we would hear about it.
There was one otr driver that had a company CC to pay individual states overweight fees, as those fees were cheaper to pay, vs additional payload cost, that the ticket was paid. An overweight ticket down here is NOT a moving violation, so it does not go on a drivers record.
Am I truly worried about being over a few lbs, not! He k, here in Washington, our trucks minimum license fee is NOT based on manufactures limits. It is tare/empty weight times 1.5 to the next higher ton. So like Chris aka me again with a forgetful of his, a dodge 2500 with an 8800 door sticker. 7200 empty times 1.5 = 10,800, his license was 12,000 lbs, and he was legal in the lower 48 states to 12,000 lbs! Just as my international was good to the 26k I was paid too.

Marty

Better not get checked in BC then.

Wilber,

I HAVE been pulled over by DOT here in Wa st, HIGHER than my rigs gvwr per the door sticker, I have yet to get an overweight ticket. NOR WILL I as long as noted, I have a paid for license greater than what I weigh. OR I am not over the engineered road bed design limits. THAT is what LEO/CVEO's are supposed to enforce per a federal law here in the states. That is 20K per axel, or 500 lbs per inch width of tire. SO yes, I could run down the road at 20K gvwr and be legal from a weight stand point in my C2500 with 4 10" tires. Also assumes I am equal loaded per axel and tire. If not, I get an overweight ticket, I also have 8 person hours to redistribute the load such that I am legal. There are other things that can come into play where I might not have to be under these limits....BUT, I will pay for this ability to be overweight. I WILL NOT under any reason shape or form be put in jail.

On the other hand. I have to STOP my C2500 in a field test, its about 25' at 20 mph on a level surface. If I do not do this. the truck is impounded for having a failed brake system. My C2500 would probably FAIL this test. So another fine, truck sits where it is, or needs to be flatbed truck or trailer hauled to the shop, brakes fixed before I am leave. OR, I need to unload the truck to a point in which the brakes are considered working.

Yes, I too can under pay my license as I have with my C2500 to 8000 lbs. I am NOT legal at my door sticker of 8600 ls. If pulled over, I would be fined for being 600 lbs overweight, OR, more than likely, since I am under my tire width ratings, I would be given a 10 day increase my paid for gvw to 10K lbs. Had this happen in my international dumptruck. Pulled over at 27K lbs, good to 29K per the tire widths, but had a paid for license of 26K. Door tag is in the owners manual in my office. Max is 18200. No overweight ticket!

Marty

IdaD wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

blt2ski wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

SouthpawHD wrote:

wilber1 wrote:
Buy one of them GM 2500's, they can tow anything. There is a guy in our park with a 2500 DM and a Landmark Key West. 41 Ft, GVW 18K, Dry 15.1 K, Dry PW 3395 lbs according to Heartland's website.

Wow, that's a big load!! Pretty sure I won't be going that big anytime soon.

Hope not. Assuming he has a bare bones truck and doesn't put a hitch or anything else in it but fuel and himself, or anything in the 5'er, he will only be 120 lbs over the advertised max payload of a 2016 Sierra 2500 DM..

Anyway, apologies for interrupting the thread.

He'd be legal in Wa st IF he has a high enough PAID for GVW. Only issue this person has to worry about would be warranty with GM. Many jurisdictions DO NOT care what the manufacture door tag says.

Marty

So you are saying you can put a 20K GVWR on a 3/4 T truck as long as you pay for it?

Depends on the state I suppose. In mine, and most I'm aware of, it boils down to what you pay for on your registration.

I can register my truck for a higher GVW in BC as well. The province is quite happy to take my money but it doesn't change the truck's GVWR.

On the other hand, if I don't need the trucks GVWR, I can register it at a lower weight and save a few bucks. Kind of like when airlines register some of their aircraft at weights lower than manufacturers max weights in order to save on airport landing fees.

wilber1 wrote:

blt2ski wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

SouthpawHD wrote:

wilber1 wrote:
Buy one of them GM 2500's, they can tow anything. There is a guy in our park with a 2500 DM and a Landmark Key West. 41 Ft, GVW 18K, Dry 15.1 K, Dry PW 3395 lbs according to Heartland's website.

Wow, that's a big load!! Pretty sure I won't be going that big anytime soon.

Hope not. Assuming he has a bare bones truck and doesn't put a hitch or anything else in it but fuel and himself, or anything in the 5'er, he will only be 120 lbs over the advertised max payload of a 2016 Sierra 2500 DM..

Anyway, apologies for interrupting the thread.

He'd be legal in Wa st IF he has a high enough PAID for GVW. Only issue this person has to worry about would be warranty with GM. Many jurisdictions DO NOT care what the manufacture door tag says.

Marty

So you are saying you can put a 20K GVWR on a 3/4 T truck as long as you pay for it?

Depends on the state I suppose. In mine, and most I'm aware of, it boils down to what you pay for on your registration.

blt2ski wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

SouthpawHD wrote:

wilber1 wrote:
Buy one of them GM 2500's, they can tow anything. There is a guy in our park with a 2500 DM and a Landmark Key West. 41 Ft, GVW 18K, Dry 15.1 K, Dry PW 3395 lbs according to Heartland's website.

Wow, that's a big load!! Pretty sure I won't be going that big anytime soon.

Hope not. Assuming he has a bare bones truck and doesn't put a hitch or anything else in it but fuel and himself, or anything in the 5'er, he will only be 120 lbs over the advertised max payload of a 2016 Sierra 2500 DM..

Anyway, apologies for interrupting the thread.

He'd be legal in Wa st IF he has a high enough PAID for GVW. Only issue this person has to worry about would be warranty with GM. Many jurisdictions DO NOT care what the manufacture door tag says.

Marty

So you are saying you can put a 20K GVWR on a 3/4 T truck as long as you pay for it?

wilber1 wrote:

SouthpawHD wrote:

wilber1 wrote:
Buy one of them GM 2500's, they can tow anything. There is a guy in our park with a 2500 DM and a Landmark Key West. 41 Ft, GVW 18K, Dry 15.1 K, Dry PW 3395 lbs according to Heartland's website.

Wow, that's a big load!! Pretty sure I won't be going that big anytime soon.

Hope not. Assuming he has a bare bones truck and doesn't put a hitch or anything else in it but fuel and himself, or anything in the 5'er, he will only be 120 lbs over the advertised max payload of a 2016 Sierra 2500 DM..

Anyway, apologies for interrupting the thread.

He'd be legal in Wa st IF he has a high enough PAID for GVW. Only issue this person has to worry about would be warranty with GM. Many jurisdictions DO NOT care what the manufacture door tag says.

Marty