30,000 lbs behind the Ram

transamz9 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Hauling to market is one thing but around here the farmers haul from farm to farm and they do it with their pick up trucks and I promise you a 30,000# trailer load of cattle is not uncommon behind a 1 ton truck.

Even at that, my point is that RVers are NOT what these truck manufacturers are marketing to. How many 500# bails of tobacco do you think you can get on a 30' deck? Hay? Tractor with implement? Then you have construction. We pull 30,000# trailers quite often with "1 ton" trucks and cross the scales with them. Believe me, it's more common than you think and now we can do it with trucks that are "rated" by the manufactures to do it.

I am curious as to what kind of trailers you use since most 32 footers are limited to 20-22k GVWR. Heck, even the commercial 40 ft stock trailers are limited to 20-24k GVWR. I know a lot of farmers who "think" they are hauling way more than they actually are mainly because most don't actually weight what they are pulling. In regards to this, I will have to see it to believe it and even then I believes that this is a very very very small percentage of farmers and ruck buyers. The vast majority(as in 99.9%) will never even come close to towing a 30k trailer and what I mean by that is a the trailer actually weighing 30k, not the truck and trailer combined weighing 30k. A combined 30k only means you are pulling a 21-22k trailer.

I agree that, at the present time, the vast majority of trailers being towed by pickups is much lighter than 30,000 lbs. On the other hand it doesn't take much of a load to reach 30,000 lbs with a big truck. As the pickups become more capable they will be used more and more for these light (30,000 lb) trailers.

You are correct. In the construction world it is much more convenient to be able to hook up and go with a load than to have to wait for a truck that is designed to carry much much more to come pick it up. It's also a lot easier getting into job sites with a pickup and 30' gooseneck than a semi and a 48-53' trailer.

Once you start getting into these weights, then a special licence is needed for most states. In Texas, you need a CDL driving anything with a 26,001 or more GCWR and is towing a trailer more than 10k lbs used for commercial use. For farmers, the trailer cannot exceed 20k lbs or a CDL is needed.

Not having proper CDL is up to a $2,500 fine for non-commercial and up to a $10,000 fine for a business along with a 90 day licence suspension.

transamz9 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Hauling to market is one thing but around here the farmers haul from farm to farm and they do it with their pick up trucks and I promise you a 30,000# trailer load of cattle is not uncommon behind a 1 ton truck.

Even at that, my point is that RVers are NOT what these truck manufacturers are marketing to. How many 500# bails of tobacco do you think you can get on a 30' deck? Hay? Tractor with implement? Then you have construction. We pull 30,000# trailers quite often with "1 ton" trucks and cross the scales with them. Believe me, it's more common than you think and now we can do it with trucks that are "rated" by the manufactures to do it.

I am curious as to what kind of trailers you use since most 32 footers are limited to 20-22k GVWR. Heck, even the commercial 40 ft stock trailers are limited to 20-24k GVWR. I know a lot of farmers who "think" they are hauling way more than they actually are mainly because most don't actually weight what they are pulling. In regards to this, I will have to see it to believe it and even then I believes that this is a very very very small percentage of farmers and ruck buyers. The vast majority(as in 99.9%) will never even come close to towing a 30k trailer and what I mean by that is a the trailer actually weighing 30k, not the truck and trailer combined weighing 30k. A combined 30k only means you are pulling a 21-22k trailer.

I agree that, at the present time, the vast majority of trailers being towed by pickups is much lighter than 30,000 lbs. On the other hand it doesn't take much of a load to reach 30,000 lbs with a big truck. As the pickups become more capable they will be used more and more for these light (30,000 lb) trailers.

You are correct. In the construction world it is much more convenient to be able to hook up and go with a load than to have to wait for a truck that is designed to carry much much more to come pick it up. It's also a lot easier getting into job sites with a pickup and 30' gooseneck than a semi and a 48-53' trailer.

Exactly. My 2005 SRW 1-ton Dodge has pulled some BIG loads between sites. My only rule is I try stay below 5k of pin weight so the 80psi E-tires are good.

Not only does the size of pickups make them easier but when it's raining 3500-5500 4x4s are often the only option. It's no fun trying to get a 389 freed up from 6 inches of mud. It takes a long time and that's $ down the drain.

4x4ord wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Hauling to market is one thing but around here the farmers haul from farm to farm and they do it with their pick up trucks and I promise you a 30,000# trailer load of cattle is not uncommon behind a 1 ton truck.

Even at that, my point is that RVers are NOT what these truck manufacturers are marketing to. How many 500# bails of tobacco do you think you can get on a 30' deck? Hay? Tractor with implement? Then you have construction. We pull 30,000# trailers quite often with "1 ton" trucks and cross the scales with them. Believe me, it's more common than you think and now we can do it with trucks that are "rated" by the manufactures to do it.

I am curious as to what kind of trailers you use since most 32 footers are limited to 20-22k GVWR. Heck, even the commercial 40 ft stock trailers are limited to 20-24k GVWR. I know a lot of farmers who "think" they are hauling way more than they actually are mainly because most don't actually weight what they are pulling. In regards to this, I will have to see it to believe it and even then I believes that this is a very very very small percentage of farmers and ruck buyers. The vast majority(as in 99.9%) will never even come close to towing a 30k trailer and what I mean by that is a the trailer actually weighing 30k, not the truck and trailer combined weighing 30k. A combined 30k only means you are pulling a 21-22k trailer.

I agree that, at the present time, the vast majority of trailers being towed by pickups is much lighter than 30,000 lbs. On the other hand it doesn't take much of a load to reach 30,000 lbs with a big truck. As the pickups become more capable they will be used more and more for these light (30,000 lb) trailers.

You are correct. In the construction world it is much more convenient to be able to hook up and go with a load than to have to wait for a truck that is designed to carry much much more to come pick it up. It's also a lot easier getting into job sites with a pickup and 30' gooseneck than a semi and a 48-53' trailer.

ShinerBock wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Hauling to market is one thing but around here the farmers haul from farm to farm and they do it with their pick up trucks and I promise you a 30,000# trailer load of cattle is not uncommon behind a 1 ton truck.

Even at that, my point is that RVers are NOT what these truck manufacturers are marketing to. How many 500# bails of tobacco do you think you can get on a 30' deck? Hay? Tractor with implement? Then you have construction. We pull 30,000# trailers quite often with "1 ton" trucks and cross the scales with them. Believe me, it's more common than you think and now we can do it with trucks that are "rated" by the manufactures to do it.

I am curious as to what kind of trailers you use since most 32 footers are limited to 20-22k GVWR. Heck, even the commercial 40 ft stock trailers are limited to 20-24k GVWR. I know a lot of farmers who "think" they are hauling way more than they actually are mainly because most don't actually weight what they are pulling. In regards to this, I will have to see it to believe it and even then I believes that this is a very very very small percentage of farmers and ruck buyers. The vast majority(as in 99.9%) will never even come close to towing a 30k trailer. Just to be clear, what I mean by that is the trailer actually weighing 30k like this Ike test, not the truck and trailer combined weighing 30k. A combined 30k only means you are pulling a 21-22k trailer.

I know what you are saying, I have a Gross Combined Weight of over 28K with my SRW 3500 and RV/Boat.

The trailers that I'm talking about have 3- 8K axles under them. These trailer do only have 24-24K GVWR but that like with most trailers the GVWR is dictated by the axle capacity. You load the axles to their capacity it's not hard to have a 6,000# tongue weight or more. I don't know where you are from but our farmers, including like you my FIL, have no care as to what the ratings are. They only care how much they can get on without it falling off going down the road. I remember years ago when we hand tied tobacco and put it in the press on the wall that my Dad and granddad would have 10,000# on the 12' flat on my granddads 1967 Chevy 1 ton pulling a wagon with double that going to the sale. Those were great times. It was over 30 miles of back roads to get there. Some of the best memories of my life.

ShinerBock wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Hauling to market is one thing but around here the farmers haul from farm to farm and they do it with their pick up trucks and I promise you a 30,000# trailer load of cattle is not uncommon behind a 1 ton truck.

Even at that, my point is that RVers are NOT what these truck manufacturers are marketing to. How many 500# bails of tobacco do you think you can get on a 30' deck? Hay? Tractor with implement? Then you have construction. We pull 30,000# trailers quite often with "1 ton" trucks and cross the scales with them. Believe me, it's more common than you think and now we can do it with trucks that are "rated" by the manufactures to do it.

I am curious as to what kind of trailers you use since most 32 footers are limited to 20-22k GVWR. Heck, even the commercial 40 ft stock trailers are limited to 20-24k GVWR. I know a lot of farmers who "think" they are hauling way more than they actually are mainly because most don't actually weight what they are pulling. In regards to this, I will have to see it to believe it and even then I believes that this is a very very very small percentage of farmers and ruck buyers. The vast majority(as in 99.9%) will never even come close to towing a 30k trailer and what I mean by that is a the trailer actually weighing 30k, not the truck and trailer combined weighing 30k. A combined 30k only means you are pulling a 21-22k trailer.

I agree that, at the present time, the vast majority of trailers being towed by pickups is much lighter than 30,000 lbs. On the other hand it doesn't take much of a load to reach 30,000 lbs with a big truck. As the pickups become more capable they will be used more and more for these light (30,000 lb) trailers.

transamz9 wrote:

Hauling to market is one thing but around here the farmers haul from farm to farm and they do it with their pick up trucks and I promise you a 30,000# trailer load of cattle is not uncommon behind a 1 ton truck.

Even at that, my point is that RVers are NOT what these truck manufacturers are marketing to. How many 500# bails of tobacco do you think you can get on a 30' deck? Hay? Tractor with implement? Then you have construction. We pull 30,000# trailers quite often with "1 ton" trucks and cross the scales with them. Believe me, it's more common than you think and now we can do it with trucks that are "rated" by the manufactures to do it.

I am curious as to what kind of trailers you use since most 32 footers are limited to 20-22k GVWR. Heck, even the commercial 40 ft stock trailers are limited to 20-24k GVWR. I know a lot of farmers who "think" they are hauling way more than they actually are mainly because most don't actually weight what they are pulling. In regards to this, I will have to see it to believe it and even then I believe that this is a very very very small percentage of farmers and ruck buyers. The vast majority(as in 99.9%) will never even come close to towing a 30k trailer. Just to be clear, what I mean by that is the trailer actually weighing 30k like this Ike test, not the truck and trailer combined weighing 30k. A combined 30k only means you are pulling a 21-22k trailer.

I've been across scales more than once over 33k with a F250 and gooseneck. Some companies around here have F250's registered for 40k pulling goosencks. Its just alot more common than anyone on here could even think or even fathom.

ShinerBock wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Because rvers are not the main class of people these trucks are built for. A load of livestock can easily break 30,000lbs.

I am not just an RVer either. I help my ageing father in law with his 500 acre ranch/farm with over 50+ head of cattle so I know a thing or two about hauling cattle. I will have to say that I have never ever ever in all my years seen a 30k lb load of livestock being pulled by a 1 ton truck. Even most of the long 32' stock trailers have a max GVWR of 20-22k lbs.

Most big ranches around here that have to haul that many head to the market generally has something bigger than a 1 ton so they can haul more than just 30k at a time.

Hauling to market is one thing but around here the farmers haul from farm to farm and they do it with their pick up trucks and I promise you a 30,000# trailer load of cattle is not uncommon behind a 1 ton truck.

Even at that, my point is that RVers are NOT what these truck manufacturers are marketing to. How many 500# bails of tobacco do you think you can get on a 30' deck? Hay? Tractor with implement? Then you have construction. We pull 30,000# trailers quite often with "1 ton" trucks and cross the scales with them. Believe me, it's more common than you think and now we can do it with trucks that are "rated" by the manufactures to do it.

^^OMfG.
What setting did you have your wdh set at? Did you match the tire pressure to the load? Check your rawr including all passengers, full fuel tank and crumpled up Cheetos bag under the seat? Does your insurance company know? Think you're smarter than the engineers that designed the truck?

Lol
Fun to see trucks bein worked.
I lost some pics of my work truck a couple trucks ago. The mighty F150!
Noting like you're hauling there but had a few 15klb or so loads. Enough to squat the tires on a 14kgvw trailer. And the factory P245s with 60psi in em.
Ha one was a load of (3) H pile. They were too long and cantilevered the tongue weight off the hitch so I had to pull the tailgate and load them about 4' forward of the front of the trailer deck, sticking into the back of the truck bed to keep the back wheels of the truck down. Had to make firemans turns to not smash the bed from the inside out! In Seattle!

ShinerBock wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Because rvers are not the main class of people these trucks are built for. A load of livestock can easily break 30,000lbs.

I am not just an RVer either. I help my ageing father in law with his 500 acre ranch/farm with over 50+ head of cattle so I know a thing or two about hauling cattle. I will have to say that I have never ever ever in all my years seen a 30k lb load of livestock being pulled by a 1 ton truck. Even most of the long 32' stock trailers have a max GVWR of 20-22k lbs.

Most big ranches around here that have to haul that many head to the market generally has something bigger than a 1 ton so they can haul more than just 30k at a time.

Not cattle, and not the heaviest load in the world but kind of an interesting one: It is a 6500 lb auger hooked to a 15,000 lb tractor sitting on a 7000 lb trailer being pulled by an 8500 lb pick up. About 120' in length .... it actually pulled quite nice and I won't bother saying at what speed.