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NinerBikes
May 26, 2014Explorer
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
All a receipt proves is that you bought fuel from me on that day at that time. Big deal. :R
It does not prove you went to another station 30 minutes later and put 2 gallons of gas in the tank or went to another station one hour later and got a load of water or other contamination in your fuel.
That's the problem with fuel contamination. Usually by the time your engine stops or your HPFP takes a dump 5 more, 50 more or 500 more loads of fuel have been dropped and all of your evidence is gone. Sample my tanks all you want because the evidence is gone. Even if you did find contamination in my tanks I would argue that it was not there when "you" filled up and that is what "you" would have to prove. Good luck with that.
I said over 2 years ago that the NHTSA was more than likely not going to do anything about this. I also said that Bosch was going to quietly fix this problem and it will all go away. (Except for the people that have a first gen Bosch pump 12k bill coming to them.) :E
You and others on this site were jumping up and down saying that they WERE go to do something and two years later you're still jumping up and down saying they WILL do something. Guess what? I was right back then and I'm still right to this day, over 2 years latter.
If the NHTSA did not do anything about 3/4 of a million/ 1 billion $'s worth of junk truck engines they sure as hell are not going to do anything about a few thousand junk pumps.
The first gen CP4 pumps are the new 6.0 of pumps.
I've never claimed that Bosch was going to do something about this. I know german companies will deny, deny, deny that there is ever a problem with their product, it's their engineering tradition. It cost Hitler the war, all that denial from his Generals. It's german culture. I can cite the same mentality from a german 13 speed geared hub manufacturing for bikes, when I blew mine up in under 400 miles of mountain biking... they denied, denied, denied, fought me tooth and nail to cover it under warranty... and then I got on Facebook and MTBR, and the internet, and lo and behold, I was not alone, there indeed was a manufacturing defect that was showing up... a very expensive axle part with flats manufactured on it for shifing indexing was the first part that they sub'd out to another contractor to make for them, and the QC just wasn't there that the design required to shift properly. Too sloppy, the QC.
And from all that I've read, Bosch had huge QC issues with dirt getting in the HPFP assemblies while putting them together, in what was old East Germany... formerly the soviet bloc. When they shifted production to Hungary, a huge % of the early HPFP failures went away. Some new polishing standards, finish standards on bearing surfaces, and ceramic coating procedures were changed, to make a better, more reliable and robust finished product.
I still feel the design is failure prone, and abuse, thrashing and full throttle applications aggravate the failure rate. Drive it like a car or commuter, and it's fine, treat it like a construction tool like all it is there for is to make you money, and it's going to fail, sooner, rather than later. This is not a commercial grade HPFP... it's a daily driver to and from work HPFP.
There are ID TEN T's already buying Dodge Eco diesels wanting to pull 7000 # dry 30 foot travel trailers with their new truck with that little 3.0 diesel motor. My crystal ball predicts early and complete demise and failure of the HPFP in those trucks, by Oct or November of 2014, perhaps into December too, once all the cumulative damage starts snowballing and killing the pumps from towing such weight with such a small pump for an engine in the summer heat up prolonged grades. You don't send a boy out to do a mans job. Go big, with the engine, or go home.
I run 50:1 biodiesel blend in all my diesel fuel. If my HPFP sh*ts the bed, my NHTSA complaint will be filed before the tow truck even arrives. I'll plug in my ELM 327 bluetooth, do a scan on my Torque Pro app on my smart phone, and if low fuel rail pressure or a P0087 or P0082 shows up in the trouble code scan, it's online instantly with NHTSA to file that complaint. I'll have more info for them once the dealership tears in to the fuel pressure sensor if metal bits appear in there. I'll be taking a diesel VW Touareg TDI loaner and finishing out my vacation, while VW sorts out with Bosch the warranty issue...
As I stated before.. you need to be smarter than the tech and the service advisor you are working with.
And I will be sharing on Facebook the blow by blow description of how VW is handling the whole project with the repair, with picture. Freedom of Information and all that. Exposure... it's a golden opportunity for VW to show "The Power of German Engineering" that they tout and advertise so much, along with their 10 year 100,000 mile power train warranty, since they believe so much in how good their product is... they get to prove it.
Parts will be coming from Germany, I expect 2 to 3 weeks down time if my Touareg ever loses it's HPFP due to failure.
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