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- The last several posts, to me, have cemented the thought that the government said its good so therefore it is. Looking back over the years, it seems life was so much easier when government wasn’t AS big and intrusive as it is now. Government in Los Angeles is telling people they can’t even go out in their yard. Yeah boy, more government is the key.
- Bottom line is that EVERYONE here in America demanded/demands “...the cheapest at any cost...”
That “cost” is in the reduction of our way of life here in America...all the while improving their infrastructure over seas
Too late...it is done...so deal with it...complaining won’t change it
Tariffs works both ways and an ever spiraling down into a urinating contest Groover wrote:
There is plenty of blame to go around but the government deserves the greatest share. From imposing costs on American manufacturing through well meaning social legislation without tariff protection from unregulated foreign competition to overly complicated taxes and regulations our government has very actively run manufacturing out of this country.
Very good point.BenK wrote:
So old thinking...maybe okay before American Corporations (not the government) decided back starting the 80's to outsource manufacturing...then engineering/design...then whole product line design/engineering/production/etc...but not America has lost the ability to manufacture most of the basic materials/components/sub-systems/systems/etc...therefore dependent on our 'supply chain'...which is from offshore where 'we' outsourced it to...
Since 'they' are manufacturing most of our materials/components/sub-systems/systems/etc...'they' are now R&D'ing more and better than we can here in America
Don't blame our government...blame our corporate management, and they only did this both for personal greed and the stock market that kills the share price by dollars if corporations miss the 'target' by penny's
There really are no long any borders with regard to manufacturing/products/etc...
But this is not an absolute...there are 'some' manufacturing here in America and it is starting to grow in the cottage industry level
There is plenty of blame to go around but the government deserves the greatest share. From imposing costs on American manufacturing through well meaning social legislation without tariff protection from unregulated foreign competition to overly complicated taxes and regulations our government has very actively run manufacturing out of this country.pitch wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
We need to stop allowing Countries to import their products here that don't have the same or stronger Labor and Environmental regulations as we place on our Industries.
I bet you people that are so anti Diesel just keep on buying products from these Countries that have ZERO regard for the air we all breath.
I completely agree. If they want to sell their products here, then they have to meet the same environmental and labor laws making their products. This is one good thing about the new US-Mexico-Canada trade agreement. All have to meet certain labor and emissions laws for it to be tariff free. I bet all those tree huggers would be pissed if this happened because that would mean their beloved Apple i-phones would be hit with massive tariffs because of the suicide sweat shops China uses to make them.
You should also have the same standard amongst all industries, but that would mean Elon could not blast all of his rockets into the air if he had the same emissions requirements as road going diesels. I bet he would lobby to change the rules for him just like all those other rich hypocrites do so that they continue doing what they want.
U bout a sweetheart aren't you Shiner
in one answer you used
Tree Hugger
Rich Hypocrite
You People
come on keep 'em coming, lets demonstrate to all what an inclusive, nonjudgmental group we RV'ers are!!!:)
Was I calling anyone here in this forum names or do you have a guilty conscience?BenK wrote:
So old thinking...maybe okay before American Corporations (not the government) decided back starting the 80's to outsource manufacturing...then engineering/design...then whole product line design/engineering/production/etc...but not America has lost the ability to manufacture most of the basic materials/components/sub-systems/systems/etc...therefore dependent on our 'supply chain'...which is from offshore where 'we' outsourced it to...
Since 'they' are manufacturing most of our materials/components/sub-systems/systems/etc...'they' are now R&D'ing more and better than we can here in America
Don't blame our government...blame our corporate management, and they only did this both for personal greed and the stock market that kills the share price by dollars if corporations miss the 'target' by penny's
There really are no long any borders with regard to manufacturing/products/etc...
But this is not an absolute...there are 'some' manufacturing here in America and it is starting to grow in the cottage industry level
The consumer is also to blame here. There are many out looking for the bottom dollar and don't care where it is from. For a long time my company tried to stave off buying products from China, but we eventually had to cave because our customers were buying from competitors that already had cheaper products from China. Even though we ran all sorts of ad campaigns promoting our made in USA product, the price difference ended up being more important to many buyers. Now we offer both the quality built option on many parts and the China built option.
This also reminds me of a customer I had back when I was on the parts counter. He was an owner/operator truck driver picking up some A/C parts for his Peterbilt 379. While he was waiting in line, he was talking to another customer about a "made in China" part we had on the show room. He went on and on about how this country is going to hell because of all this made in China c##p. He finally made it up to my counter and I started looking up his parts. Figuring that he didn't want any "made in China" parts after hearing him go on and on about how bad they were, I quoted him the made in USA A/C compressor for about $400. He about blew a gasket saying he could get that compressor for $250 elsewhere. I explained to to him that I did have a $250 version of the compressor, but it was made in China and that it was the same as the $250 compressor from our competitors. The hypocrite ended up buying the made in China compressor.
Moral of the story. Sometimes things being made in China is not because the manufacturer or seller is trying to make more profit. Many times it is done just to compete because many customers are looking for the bottom dollar part and do not care where it comes from.ShinerBock wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
We need to stop allowing Countries to import their products here that don't have the same or stronger Labor and Environmental regulations as we place on our Industries.
I bet you people that are so anti Diesel just keep on buying products from these Countries that have ZERO regard for the air we all breath.
I completely agree. If they want to sell their products here, then they have to meet the same environmental and labor laws making their products. This is one good thing about the new US-Mexico-Canada trade agreement. All have to meet certain labor and emissions laws for it to be tariff free. I bet all those tree huggers would be pissed if this happened because that would mean their beloved Apple i-phones would be hit with massive tariffs because of the suicide sweat shops China uses to make them.
You should also have the same standard amongst all industries, but that would mean Elon could not blast all of his rockets into the air if he had the same emissions requirements as road going diesels. I bet he would lobby to change the rules for him just like all those other rich hypocrites do so that they continue doing what they want.
U bout a sweetheart aren't you Shiner
in one answer you used
Tree Hugger
Rich Hypocrite
You People
come on keep 'em coming, lets demonstrate to all what an inclusive, nonjudgmental group we RV'ers are!!!:)SidecarFlip wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
Another usual tedious thread that centers around people with the 'I'll do what I want and heck with others', because I can thread.
How nice.
Have at it. I'm on the side now, reading along and chuckling.
I am pretty sure you would do the same if you thought the corrupt activist government officials made irrational and biased laws and regulations about the 2nd amendment like I do with what the EPA officials like Carol Browner has done with some of the diesel regulations. Or would you just comply and hand over your guns because the guvment said it was best for you?
Keep in mind she was one of the ones that said Flint's water was okay to drink because she was trying to cover up her own activist decisions.
I don't really want to comment but I will on this. What you read and what it REALLY is, are 2 entirely different things. I know because I live near Flint and you don't.
I'm done now.
Actually my best friend is from Michigan and his wife is a real estate agent for the Flint area so I did not get my information in the news.- So old thinking...maybe okay before American Corporations (not the government) decided back starting the 80's to outsource manufacturing...then engineering/design...then whole product line design/engineering/production/etc...but not America has lost the ability to manufacture most of the basic materials/components/sub-systems/systems/etc...therefore dependent on our 'supply chain'...which is from offshore where 'we' outsourced it to...
Since 'they' are manufacturing most of our materials/components/sub-systems/systems/etc...'they' are now R&D'ing more and better than we can here in America
Don't blame our government...blame our corporate management, and they only did this both for personal greed and the stock market that kills the share price by dollars if corporations miss the 'target' by penny's
There really are no long any borders with regard to manufacturing/products/etc...
But this is not an absolute...there are 'some' manufacturing here in America and it is starting to grow in the cottage industry level ShinerBock wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
Another usual tedious thread that centers around people with the 'I'll do what I want and heck with others', because I can thread.
How nice.
Have at it. I'm on the side now, reading along and chuckling.
I am pretty sure you would do the same if you thought the corrupt activist government officials made irrational and biased laws and regulations about the 2nd amendment like I do with what the EPA officials like Carol Browner has done with some of the diesel regulations. Or would you just comply and hand over your guns because the guvment said it was best for you?
Keep in mind she was one of the ones that said Flint's water was okay to drink because she was trying to cover up her own activist decisions.
I don't really want to comment but I will on this. What you read and what it REALLY is, are 2 entirely different things. I know because I live near Flint and you don't.
I'm done now.
