Diesel vs gas......................
OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diese...
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For what it's worth, last fall I traded in my 2007 5.4l Expedition with 6000 miles on it for a 2010 F250 6.4L.
Reason?
While traveling out west last year (in the mountains of Wyoming/Montana/Utah, which I frequent often.) I had to pull over 3-4 times due to overheating.
Well, not actually - the computer warned me WELL? in advance and I was keeping an eagle eye on the gauges because I KNEW I was pushing it to its limits. Yes, I was correctly equipped, loaded and well below the towing capacity of the vehicle, didn't have the A/C on, etc. As an added note, I was also running all synthetic fluids. (I expected this vehicle to be my Tow Vehicle for many years to come.)
You may say, well, if you were watching the gauges you'd have noticed the engine or trans getting hot, right? Well... Not really. I noticed the engine temp. gauge climb 1/2 to 1 notch and then about five seconds later the temp gauges ALL slammed into the red, the computer illuminated all of the idiot lights and told me to pull over immediately. What if there was nowhere to pull over?
Yeah, sure, I probably had more time than I thought but that's just too close for comfort for me. For the margin of safety I desire I MUST have more wiggle room. (Not to mention the poor saps stuck behind the newbie while I was looking for a place to pull over.)
Don't get me wrong, I REALLY wanted to keep my Expy (I've had five and have LOVED them all) and it did absolutely wonderful on the flatter stretches of interstate but once you hit the mountains and some of those grades it's a whole different ball game. (Let's not even get into issues that could come up OFF road)
I'm sure a V10 would have taken up the slack but since I'm going to be hanging onto the new TV for a long, long time I figured I needed a vehicle that can deliver a consistent amount of torque for quite a long time w/o exploding. ;)
It's also nice to know that eventually when I do decide to upgrade the trailer my TV will be able to handle it.
Moral of the story? No big hills (mountains) no problem. Big mountains/steep grades? Big problem. AND do the math yourself. Don't believe what the dealers tell you!!
Horsepower gets ya there, torque KEEPS ya there! :)
But that's just my experience and opinion.
(No, I didn't read all 146 replies - I've read enough gas/vs diesel pissing matches. Each has their own application - I just wanted to share my experience)
-T
The (old) TV and current TT..
Reason?
While traveling out west last year (in the mountains of Wyoming/Montana/Utah, which I frequent often.) I had to pull over 3-4 times due to overheating.
Well, not actually - the computer warned me WELL? in advance and I was keeping an eagle eye on the gauges because I KNEW I was pushing it to its limits. Yes, I was correctly equipped, loaded and well below the towing capacity of the vehicle, didn't have the A/C on, etc. As an added note, I was also running all synthetic fluids. (I expected this vehicle to be my Tow Vehicle for many years to come.)
You may say, well, if you were watching the gauges you'd have noticed the engine or trans getting hot, right? Well... Not really. I noticed the engine temp. gauge climb 1/2 to 1 notch and then about five seconds later the temp gauges ALL slammed into the red, the computer illuminated all of the idiot lights and told me to pull over immediately. What if there was nowhere to pull over?
Yeah, sure, I probably had more time than I thought but that's just too close for comfort for me. For the margin of safety I desire I MUST have more wiggle room. (Not to mention the poor saps stuck behind the newbie while I was looking for a place to pull over.)
Don't get me wrong, I REALLY wanted to keep my Expy (I've had five and have LOVED them all) and it did absolutely wonderful on the flatter stretches of interstate but once you hit the mountains and some of those grades it's a whole different ball game. (Let's not even get into issues that could come up OFF road)
I'm sure a V10 would have taken up the slack but since I'm going to be hanging onto the new TV for a long, long time I figured I needed a vehicle that can deliver a consistent amount of torque for quite a long time w/o exploding. ;)
It's also nice to know that eventually when I do decide to upgrade the trailer my TV will be able to handle it.
Moral of the story? No big hills (mountains) no problem. Big mountains/steep grades? Big problem. AND do the math yourself. Don't believe what the dealers tell you!!
Horsepower gets ya there, torque KEEPS ya there! :)
But that's just my experience and opinion.
(No, I didn't read all 146 replies - I've read enough gas/vs diesel pissing matches. Each has their own application - I just wanted to share my experience)
-T
The (old) TV and current TT..
