Diesel vs gas......................
OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diese...
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Funy how a bunch of guys who drive the same trucks (besides the engines) can be so opposed to each other. OK, time to dive back in.
1- the mileage of both gas and Diesel gets so exagerated no one can believe anything
2- gas or Diesel, someone posts some believeable MPG numbers and then get bashed by others
3- Fact is gassers burn less than they used to and Diesels burn more. Still have a decent advantage though
4- Diesels are tainted by the emissions BS and will be for some time now.
5- Torque is king and is what gets heavy loads moveing and and keeps them moving up a grade.
6- Gearing is good and can compensate a lot but not for everything. An F1 motor no matter how geared cannot pull 22K lbs up a heavy grade. At least not for very long
7- The late 90's and up older Diesels with their lower HP ratings still have nearly as much torque at "usable" RPM's as the newer high HP engines. The 12V Cummins way overshot the advertised torque.
Experience:
97 2500 CTD 72K miles
98 2500 CTD 280K miles Chipped like crazy, sold to a friend who put another 160K
01 2500 CTD 165K miles
05 3500 CTD 225K miles Towed 15K Toyhauler
08 3500 CTD 149K miles Towes 15K Toyhauler
One more thing for those who want to (and yes, you will) argue #5 and #6. Answer this, how can a pair of 270HP 5.9 CTD engines run my 34' boat much faster at cruise and beat the top end by 3 MPH ( a big deal in a boat this size and weight) than the 330 HP 454 big blocks that came out? The GM's were almost new and propped correctly. The Diesels added weight.
One last thing. I think you only "need" a Diesel for high milage and heavy towing. But it is OK to like one doing less work. Everyone just drive whatever ya want.Now where did I put my flame proof suit???
1- the mileage of both gas and Diesel gets so exagerated no one can believe anything
2- gas or Diesel, someone posts some believeable MPG numbers and then get bashed by others
3- Fact is gassers burn less than they used to and Diesels burn more. Still have a decent advantage though
4- Diesels are tainted by the emissions BS and will be for some time now.
5- Torque is king and is what gets heavy loads moveing and and keeps them moving up a grade.
6- Gearing is good and can compensate a lot but not for everything. An F1 motor no matter how geared cannot pull 22K lbs up a heavy grade. At least not for very long
7- The late 90's and up older Diesels with their lower HP ratings still have nearly as much torque at "usable" RPM's as the newer high HP engines. The 12V Cummins way overshot the advertised torque.
Experience:
97 2500 CTD 72K miles
98 2500 CTD 280K miles Chipped like crazy, sold to a friend who put another 160K
01 2500 CTD 165K miles
05 3500 CTD 225K miles Towed 15K Toyhauler
08 3500 CTD 149K miles Towes 15K Toyhauler
One more thing for those who want to (and yes, you will) argue #5 and #6. Answer this, how can a pair of 270HP 5.9 CTD engines run my 34' boat much faster at cruise and beat the top end by 3 MPH ( a big deal in a boat this size and weight) than the 330 HP 454 big blocks that came out? The GM's were almost new and propped correctly. The Diesels added weight.
One last thing. I think you only "need" a Diesel for high milage and heavy towing. But it is OK to like one doing less work. Everyone just drive whatever ya want.Now where did I put my flame proof suit???
