Eco Boost F150 for car only application

Fordlover wrote:

wwest wrote:

nipster wrote:
I think the anti-ecoboost hysteria is in full swing in this thread...

The issues reported here affect a very small number of people, in very specific circumstances

But like someone else mentioned, if it's just going to be a daily driver, you probably dont need the EB engine, maybe just the base V6

"very specific circumstances.."

Yes, but Rh (relative humidity) circumstances for which we humans have no sensory perception....

"specific..."

Not really.

High Rh, >90%, short drive in cruise = Condensate pools.

Moderate Rh, 70-90%, long drive in uninterrupted cruise = Condensate pools.

CEL/mis-fires = condensate ingestion.

Also, rare.

There is a fairly wide cross section of Ecoboost owners on this site.
Ranging from early 2011 models all the way up to very recent 2014 models. But complaints about power losses are in the extreme minority. Only one or two have said they've even experienced it.

I understand you are uncomfortable with the Ecoboost, and I say that's ok, you don't have to buy one. But quit trying to convence owners that have driven one for the last 3 years that they have a major problem.

I live on the Gulf Coast, with famously high Rh, often hovering between 90-100%. So of the 4 friends I have who own them, why have they never experienced this design flaw? Perhaps it really is rare?

"..this design flaw? Perhaps it really is rare?"

Rare..?? Not at all, the design flaw is embedded in each and every F-150 EcoBust engine ever built.

Think of it as a form of Russian Roulette, you KNOW the bullet is in one of those chambers, but with a little (LOT?) luck you never hit it.

If you drive "spiritedly", on boost often enough, you never allow a substantive enough level of condensate to accumulate.

wwest wrote:

nipster wrote:
I think the anti-ecoboost hysteria is in full swing in this thread...

The issues reported here affect a very small number of people, in very specific circumstances

But like someone else mentioned, if it's just going to be a daily driver, you probably dont need the EB engine, maybe just the base V6

"very specific circumstances.."

Yes, but Rh (relative humidity) circumstances for which we humans have no sensory perception....

"specific..."

Not really.

High Rh, >90%, short drive in cruise = Condensate pools.

Moderate Rh, 70-90%, long drive in uninterrupted cruise = Condensate pools.

CEL/mis-fires = condensate ingestion.

Also, rare.

There is a fairly wide cross section of Ecoboost owners on this site.
Ranging from early 2011 models all the way up to very recent 2014 models. But complaints about power losses are in the extreme minority. Only one or two have said they've even experienced it.

I understand you are uncomfortable with the Ecoboost, and I say that's ok, you don't have to buy one. But quit trying to convence owners that have driven one for the last 3 years that they have a major problem.

I live on the Gulf Coast, with famously high Rh, often hovering between 90-100%. So of the 4 friends I have who own them, why have they never experienced this design flaw? Perhaps it really is rare?

nipster wrote:
I think the anti-ecoboost hysteria is in full swing in this thread...

The issues reported here affect a very small number of people, in very specific circumstances

But like someone else mentioned, if it's just going to be a daily driver, you probably dont need the EB engine, maybe just the base V6

"very specific circumstances.."

Yes, but Rh (relative humidity) circumstances for which we humans have no sensory perception....

"specific..."

Not really.

High Rh, >90%, short drive in cruise = Condensate pools.

Moderate Rh, 70-90%, long drive in uninterrupted cruise = Condensate pools.

CEL/mis-fires = condensate ingestion.

Thanks for the tips. My daily driver is a F250. My wifes car is Honda Accord
Almost impossible to get in and out of it. The Buick Enclave is high on the list

MrVan wrote:
Need crew cab for four 6' plus adults plus room for 4 large golf bags and don't want to have to lift legs up to get out of vehicle. Have spinal nerve damage to legs.

Regarding your nerve damage to your legs.

Check the F 150 out first. Remember, a pickup truck, is higher than many vehicles.

See if it's difficult to climb up into the cab and down, out of the cab. Remember you'll probably be doing this a number of times per day.

Check out the 4WD vs the 2WD...often a 4WD is higher. Check out what it's like to use running boards. Does that alleviate or increase difficulty for your legs ?

Don't just focus on the F150. Look at other makes of vehicles.

For example, I'm fairly tall and big and have what I call hockey knees. I need to stretch my legs and have a relatively flar seat cushion for comfort.

I tried all sorts of vehicles before I bought my last vehicle. I tried Hyundai, Honda, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, VW, Nissan, Toyota....you name it...I tried it.

I was surprised that the most comfortable vehicle...by far...for me...was of all things a large, 6 passenger Buick sedan.

So I got the 'old man's' car...a Buick. I was surprised as I never considered a Buick....until I tried it

I'm not saying buy a Buick....although look at the Enclave for passenger and carrying capacity.

What I am saying is don't limit yourself to one make/model.

Keep in mind your priorities...comfort, ease of entry/exit, passenger and cargo room.....don't look at brand preferences.

Lot's of different makes/models/ comfort options out there.

I think the anti-ecoboost hysteria is in full swing in this thread...

The issues reported here affect a very small number of people, in very specific circumstances

But like someone else mentioned, if it's just going to be a daily driver, you probably dont need the EB engine, maybe just the base V6

wwest wrote:

carringb wrote:

wwest wrote:
The F-150 EcoBust is currently experiencing design problems that the Ford engineers seem to not be able to solve, at least 3 TSB fixes over that same number of years plus the current fix which is beginning to look like yet another failure.

Goggle:

F-150 "drill a hole"

All of my friends who have them love them. One of those trucks did have the condensation problem. Ford replaced the intercooler and re-flashed it, and the problem went away completely.

Maybe you need to check with your friend again, Ford has admitted that even the newest, 2014, fix is not working in all cases.

Anytime you have enough "constant" airflow demand for the engine to create a pressure drop across the CAC you run the risk of condensate pooling.

In moderately high engine load, cruise mode (O2 sensor A/F mixture control) the F-150 engine demands enough intake airflow to accomplish this.

Blah Blah Blah... I'm not going to deny that a SMALL % of the Ecoboosts had condensation issues. But after seeing the sales #'s exceed 550,000 F150's w/ Ecoboost since 2011 I don't think it's as big a problem as you claim.

To the OP, Buy what you want. A nice Platinum with all the options will ride and feel like your driving a high end luxury car!


P.S.- My 2011 has been running great ever since i drove her off the lot 45,000 miles ago! And she gets a workout!

Goo wrote:
I've had no issues with my EcoBoost in the 2 years I've owned it. If I was not going to tow, but wanted a truck, the 3.7l base v6 would be on the top of my list.

Good luck.

DITTO

carringb wrote:

wwest wrote:
The F-150 EcoBust is currently experiencing design problems that the Ford engineers seem to not be able to solve, at least 3 TSB fixes over that same number of years plus the current fix which is beginning to look like yet another failure.

Goggle:

F-150 "drill a hole"

All of my friends who have them love them. One of those trucks did have the condensation problem. Ford replaced the intercooler and re-flashed it, and the problem went away completely.

Maybe you need to check with your friend again, Ford has admitted that even the newest, 2014, fix is not working in all cases.

Anytime you have enough "constant" airflow demand for the engine to create a pressure drop across the CAC you run the risk of condensate pooling.

In moderately high engine load, cruise mode (O2 sensor A/F mixture control) the F-150 engine demands enough intake airflow to accomplish this.

pappcam wrote:

MrVan wrote:
Need crew cab for four 6' plus adults plus room for 4 large golf bags and don't want to have to lift legs up to get out of vehicle. Have spinal nerve damage to legs.

I understand about not having to lift the legs getting out of a truck but wouldn't you have to lift your legs even more getting into a higher vehicle like the F150?

Anyway, any crew cab F150 will do what you're asking. Whatever options it comes with are entirely up to you.

For some reason it is easier for me to get up into a truck than getting out of a car where I have to lift my legs to get out. I think it's because I can grab on to a handle to lift my way up.