Electric vehicle mandate in California

time2roll wrote:
OK and I don't read any stories about EV owners going back to ICE after a storm due to emergency evacuation issues. I would think all the Tesla haters would have jumped all over this by now. I call FUD on the whole issue.

It is a not issue right now because almost all Tesla or BEV owners have a secondary ICE vehicle and it has only recently been mandated forcing people to buy or vehicle makes to sell them. There is a huge difference between having the wealthy or upper middle class(who are the ones who are mostly buying right now) who can afford seconder vehicles buy them and forcing the middle class and below who can't afford seconder vehicles. Even in Europe, most BEV owners have secondary ICE vehicles.

Edd China currently holds the Guiness World Record for the fastest all electric traditional ice cream truck. It has fully functional soft ice cream equipment as required by the rules.

The mandate is for 2050.

time2roll wrote:
I could see EV sales growing faster than the mandate at this point. What if that continues?

Thats already the case here. Like almost 5 years ahead of schedule. And the only thing holding it back is supply, or at least of the more in demand models. Tesla model 3 standard range plus, KIA, Hyundai etc. The Leaf and bolt have dropped off in sales although the Leaf is still second in sales to the Tesla model 3 Standard range. Left over 2019 Chevy Bolts are getting to be real competitive for price now and are starting to thin out quick. Nice little car at the right price. But when the 1/2 ton e-trucks hit the market I think the numbers are really going to jump.

Part of the reason for the sales success in this province is the provincial government has acted as coordinator for getting DC fast charging installed at the (mostly) right places. They work with BC hydro as well as the private players like Petro Canada etc and streamline the permitting and installation of charging facilities both Level 3 and Level 2. There is still the corridor to Alaska to cover and the 97 corridor to Prince Rupert but the latter is getting close. This is a picture of pallets of Chademo/CCS fast chargers waiting to be installed in various locations. Overall they are doing a good job and even work well with Tesla. Tesla donates a lot of level 2 equipment in the province. Our little town is adding a DCFC per year every tear for the next 4 years. Tesla has us on their coming soon map as well but I think it will be pushed back to 2021 as it hasn't even been sited yet. Step by step.



A lot of those fast chargers are bound for those site indicate by wrenches on plug share. You can see the 97 route to Prince Rupert. Thats a lonely but beautiful stretch of highway. The big challenge after that is the Alaskan route. 2022???

I could see EV sales growing faster than the mandate at this point. What if that continues?

It's a credit based system that will be about 8% of sales in 2025 and includes fuel cell and plug in hybrid. Commercial trucks start in 2024 and All-EV trucks in 2045.

ShinerBock wrote:
I am guessing you have never been through a hurricane or tornado. Solar panels don't last long in them (just like they don't in hail storms) and not everyone can afford solar panels or battery packs. Many do not have the land to put them on either or are of the 43 million Americans who rent their home or apartment. Step outside of the bubble and think about others before being for mandating things.

Solar panels will hold up as good as the roof itself in wind or hail. Either way insurance would put them back on.

What percent is the mandate? You talk like it was 50% or even 100%. Don't panic, it will be a looooong time before you have to join this group.

ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
This kind of leads to another question. If a wildfire, tornado, or other natural disaster knocks out power in a region for days. How do you recharge your vehicle to escape? With my ICE vehicle, I just go the fuel station and get about 10 gallons of gas/diesel just in case (which I have needed on a few occasions). What do BEV owners do? A lot of people recharging right before a disaster would put a lot of strain on the regional power supply. What do you do if your only escape vehicle isn't recharged?

Also, if the trucks delivering relief supplies are electric, then how do they recharge? I know it took weeks for the electricity to come back to the area after the the last major hurricane in Rockport.

OK so if you arrive at home with a low battery you simply plug in and start charging. Reality is you probably filled up last night and you are at 75% charge already and set the timer to charge again overnight. There is no particular reason to leave the battery near empty just waiting for a disaster. So easy and convenient to fill.

Same issue you mention about getting 10 gallons of fuel because you left the tank low and the power is out and there is no fuel until you are some additional distance away from the zone. Either way works fine. Probably not an issue either way and I have been in both situations.

I assume the relief trucks are Tesla Semi based with 600 mile range or they are diesel powered military or FEMA vehicles.

If you want immediate power at home then you can spring for a solar roof and several powerwall. This will give you power long before the neighbors 3 week wait. What will the neighbors do when they see all your lights on? Or get a generator, or just stay away for the duration. Some never move back.

That is assuming you have or can afford to garage charger or even have a garage to charge from. Or only have one vehicle that needs to be charged. What about those who love in projects, can only park their cars on the street, or live in apartment that doesn't have chargers at every parking spot. Hence the reason why I think the California progressives need to take a little more time to think about who these mandates effect outside of their privileged bubble.

I am guessing you have never been through a hurricane or tornado. Solar panels don't last long in them (just like they don't in hail storms) and not everyone can afford solar panels or battery packs. Many do not have the land to put them on either or are of the 43 million Americans who rent their home or apartment. Step outside of the bubble and think about others before being for mandating things.

OK and I don't read any stories about EV owners going back to ICE after a storm due to emergency evacuation issues. I would think all the Tesla haters would have jumped all over this by now. I call FUD on the whole issue.

ShinerBock wrote:

Reisender wrote:


Interesting stuff for sure.

As for your question, I’m not sure why you would think the supply trucks would have to be Electric. What’s wrong with diesel. Diesel and gas will continue to play a role in the future. Just not a great fuel for personal vehicles in many cases and of course use of these fuels will decline in the future. There are about 5000 vehicles per day hitting the roads with no gas tanks, exhaust systyms, spark plugs etc. The fuel make up of the world fleet is changing a little every day. No panaceas. No one size fits all. And technology marches on. Many EV drivers would not want to go back to the inconvenience of liquid fueled vehicles after getting used to fueling at home.

The world is a changin. :).

Because this thread is about a government entity forcing people to use a certain kind of vehicle so I am assuming that said government entity would use them too. It would be a little tyrannical of a government to use ICE vehicles when mandating that the people can't. A government entity mandating one type of vehicle is their way of saying that one size fits all.

I’m not up on the government mandate. Does it include commercial and military vehicles. I should probably know this stuff as I am a California resident at least 3 or 4 months of the year. In this province the final date of a private vehicle with an exhaust pipe is December 31 2039. But this doesn’t affect heavy transport or commercial vehicles. This year probably 15 percent of vehicle sales will be close to 15 percent so it should be an easy goal to achieve. Once there is a good line up of electric 1/2 tons available this number should increase significantly. Infrastructure is already good and getting better.

Change is good...sometime. :).

Reisender wrote:


Interesting stuff for sure.

As for your question, I’m not sure why you would think the supply trucks would have to be Electric. What’s wrong with diesel. Diesel and gas will continue to play a role in the future. Just not a great fuel for personal vehicles in many cases and of course use of these fuels will decline in the future. There are about 5000 vehicles per day hitting the roads with no gas tanks, exhaust systyms, spark plugs etc. The fuel make up of the world fleet is changing a little every day. No panaceas. No one size fits all. And technology marches on. Many EV drivers would not want to go back to the inconvenience of liquid fueled vehicles after getting used to fueling at home.

The world is a changin. :).

Because this thread is about a government entity forcing people to use a certain kind of vehicle so I am assuming that said government entity would use them too. It would be a little tyrannical of a government to use ICE vehicles when mandating that the people can't. A government entity mandating one type of vehicle is their way of saying that one size fits all.