F-150 3.0 diesel Pictures

ShinerBock wrote:

I keep a somewhat tight ear to what is happening in the pickup truck world and I have never heard of the Ecodiesel sales being limited by production besides the first huccups Ram had in 2014 when they engine just came out. You would think that they would have figured out how to meet demand in 2 years if this engine was so popular.

In my neck of the woods, which so happens the truck capital of the US, one look into a few dealerships inventory and you can clearly see the same old ones still in inventory. Heck even my the dealership, Bluebonnet Chrysler, which sales a lot of Rams in the area don't like to keep that many in stock because they don't sell nearly as fast as the Hemi. However, they are forced to order some due to how the manufacturers inventory policies work. One of my good friends is a sales manager there.

Well maybe that is a Texas thing but the ordering window for the Ecodiesel closes in 7 to 14 days each month. When I ordered my truck you had 1 to 3 days to get your order in or you would have to wait for the next months order window to open up. My dealer had me come in at 8 to put the truck together so he could put the order in. So I don't know why your dealer is tell you something different.

ShinerBock wrote:


Uhmm, the 3.0L Land Rover diesel is a Ford engine.

Ford AJD-V6/PSA DT17

I think you got as much hatred for Ford as Fish does for Ram/Cummins. Even worse is I think you have disdain for Ford owners. Why? What is the point in not liking someone just because of what they prefer to drive? Life is too short for that nonsense.

Sorry you feel that way because I do not have any "disdain for Ford owners" as you put it. I do however have disdain for Ford owners that feel they need to get on every Ram post and talk their smack. You might notice I never go on Ford posts and post anything negative UNTIL they start their BS. And I no longer do that, those people are not worth the time.

I have never not one time posted on a "Got a new truck" post anything negative about their purchase. Not one time, we do however have a Ford guy that does it all the time to the Ram buyers.

I have said time and time again it's your money buy what makes you happy.The point of this post was to show the guys that posted I was full of BS when I said Ford (and GM) will be coming out with a small diesel in their half ton trucks. Maybe you don't remember that but I sure do.

As for the engine,
I was just going by what was written in the article "Ford is using a Land Rover-sourced 3.0L diesel in this application.". So if this is in fact built be Ford why wouldn't they say something like, Ford is using their 3.0D/TDV6/SDV6/HDi the same diesel used in the Range Rover????

The Lion engine family was developed and manufactured at Ford's Dagenham Diesel Centre for use in PSA Peugeot Citroën vehicles (as DT17 as part of joint venture begun in 1999), Jaguar Cars (as the AJD-V6), and Land Rover vehicles. The engines share the same bore/stroke ratio, with the V6 displacing 2.7L and the V8 displacing 3.6L. The V6 was launched in 2004 and as of 2011 also serves in Ford Australia's Territory SUV; the V8 in 2006. The V6 engine meets the Euro IV emissions standards. A 3.0L was added in 2009 and is based on the 2.7L.

To improve the engine’s low-speed torque range for off-roading and towing applications, Land Rover installed a large capacity single-turbocharger, rather than use the twin-turbo design; in addition the engine is fitted with a large engine driven cooling fan to support low speed, high load driving as may be encountered in desert conditions. Furthermore, the Land Rover variant of the Lion V6 includes a deeper, high capacity sump with improved baffles to maintain oil pressure at off-roading extreme angles and multi-layered seals to keep dust, mud and water at bay and different transmission bell housing bolt pattern. The Lion V6 – constructed from compacted graphite iron – is a member of the Ford Duratorq family and is produced at Ford’s Dagenham engine plant; 35,000 engines were produced from April to December 2004.

The 3.0-litre design, known as the Gen III, superseded the 2.7-litre, and uses parallel sequential turbochargers and an uprated common rail injection system incorporating fuel injectors with piezo crystals fitted nearer to the tip to reduce engine noise and a metering mode to reduce oversupplying fuel, decreasing fuel consumption and unused fuel temperature over the 2.7-litre model. The parallel sequential turbocharger system utilizes the smaller of the two turbos when the engine is running at low revolutions; once the engine has reached 2,800 rpm, the larger turbocharger is also used to pressurize the intake.

Jaguar tested fitting the engine to its XK model but didn’t carry the project over to production.

The 3.0-litre variants used by Land Rover feature the 2.7-litre’s off-roading adaptations plus calibration of the engine’s electronics to allow the use of low-quality fuels.

ShinerBock wrote:
So you are saying people want more performance and other amenities over better fuel economy like I have been saying why people go for other engines?

No. My point was about value, and the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel is more truck for the money than the Colorado diesel. More capability, virtually same mpg, virtually same price. That's it.

rjstractor wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Then again, if you don't tow then why not get a midsize Colorado diesel if fuel economy is more important.

That's an easy one. Compared with the Colorado diesel the Ram Eco is way more truck for the money. Real world price is about the same, but the Ram is much roomier, more powerful, accelerates faster and gets almost the same mpg.

So you are saying people want more performance and other amenities over better fuel economy like I have been saying why people go for other engines?

I said people who don't don't tow and think fuel economy is more important than the things you listed.

jus2shy wrote:

Shiner, minor correction. RAM is maxed out on Ecodiesel production and sells every one they produce. They can't make any more Ecodiesels than they are now (and they already expanded capacity as far as they can for now at the VM factory). This maxes out at about 15% of all RAM 1500's produced being Ecodiesel equipped. Ford probably sees that RAM can't keep up with the market and why it's probably a good idea to jump in while there is an actual scarcity in a market with demand. These will be interesting times in the near future. I think Ford will have ultimately more Diesel building capacity and we can get a good picture of what the overall take rate would be on a diesel half ton since they're probably better equipped to meet market demand.

I keep a somewhat tight ear to what is happening in the pickup truck world and I have never heard of the Ecodiesel sales being limited by production besides the first huccups Ram had in 2014 when they engine just came out. You would think that they would have figured out how to meet demand in 2 years if this engine was so popular.

In my neck of the woods, which so happens the truck capital of the US, one look into a few dealerships inventory and you can clearly see the same old ones still in inventory. Heck even my the dealership, Bluebonnet Chrysler, which sales a lot of Rams in the area don't like to keep that many in stock because they don't sell nearly as fast as the Hemi. However, they are forced to order some due to how the manufacturers inventory policies work. One of my good friends is a sales manager there.

rjstractor wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Then again, if you don't tow then why not get a midsize Colorado diesel if fuel economy is more important.

That's an easy one. Compared with the Colorado diesel the Ram Eco is way more truck for the money. Real world price is about the same, but the Ram is much roomier, more powerful, accelerates faster and gets almost the same mpg.

Agree. I don't see much appeal to the midsizers in general. We have three kids and a full size cab accommodates that much better. The dog usually rides in a kennel but in extreme weather we need room for her in the cab too (about 65 lbs). But all of this is subjective.

ShinerBock wrote:

All manufacturers follow each other if something works. Ford was the first to make a crew cab in a half ton. Now how many do you see out there? Ford was the first to have a crew cab long bed in a half ton. Now how many do you see out there. GM was the first to use a hydro-formed frame in a half ton. Now how many use them? Ford and GM had 6 speeds in their trucks for years while Ram was still using a 5 speed. So what is your point here?

Although a diesel in a half ton is not really anything new. It has been done before. All the makes tested diesels in their half tons in the early 2000s as well and came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it due to low customer demand. In Ford's case, they are right since the 3.5L Ecoboost overwhelmingly out sales the Ecodiesel hands down. Why go with an engine that only sales maybe 100,000 trucks a year when you can have one that sales 200,000 per year?

Like I keep saying. If this diesel in the F150 is the 3.0L and not the V8 3.6L then it is only for those that want to save fuel and are wiling to sacrifice performance for it which is a very small percentage of buyers. Just like the Ecodiesel, it will be no where near the towing performer of the 3.5L Ecoboost or Hemi. Not even close. With today's fuel prices, most are not willing to give up of the performance of their Hemi or Ecoboost if they get at least 16-17 mpg combined. It is worth the extra money to them for the added performance loaded and unloaded regardless of who likes to get to the top of the hill first.

Also, you said something that your 8-speed truck beat a 6-speed Ecoboost off the line. I hope you mean the 2.7L because their is no way it will with the 3.5L even with the two gear advantage of ypur truck.

Shiner, minor correction. RAM is maxed out on Ecodiesel production and sells every one they produce. They can't make any more Ecodiesels than they are now (and they already expanded capacity as far as they can for now at the VM factory). This maxes out at about 15% of all RAM 1500's produced being Ecodiesel equipped. Ford probably sees that RAM can't keep up with the market and why it's probably a good idea to jump in while there is an actual scarcity in a market with demand. These will be interesting times in the near future. I think Ford will have ultimately more Diesel building capacity and we can get a good picture of what the overall take rate would be on a diesel half ton since they're probably better equipped to meet market demand.

ShinerBock wrote:
Then again, if you don't tow then why not get a midsize Colorado diesel if fuel economy is more important.

That's an easy one. Compared with the Colorado diesel the Ram Eco is way more truck for the money. Real world price is about the same, but the Ram is much roomier, more powerful, accelerates faster and gets almost the same mpg.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


Like was said earlier "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Ford and GM started their transmission partnership after FCA started putting the 8 speed and a year later a 9 speed in our vehicles. Now Ford is following us with a 3.0 liter diesel and GM is going to be right behind them!

But FCA is following Ford and bring out our own twin turbo DI gas engines. So you guys can talk about that. Fiat even builds their Ka cars for them.

Don

All manufacturers follow each other if something works. Ford was the first to make a crew cab in a half ton. Now how many do you see out there? Ford was the first to have a crew cab long bed in a half ton. Now how many do you see out there. GM was the first to use a hydro-formed frame in a half ton. Now how many use them? Ford and GM had 6 speeds in their trucks for years while Ram was still using a 5 speed. So what is your point here?

Although a diesel in a half ton is not really anything new. It has been done before. All the makes tested diesels in their half tons in the early 2000s as well and came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it due to low customer demand. In Ford's case, they are right since the 3.5L Ecoboost overwhelmingly out sales the Ecodiesel hands down. Why go with an engine that only sales maybe 100,000 trucks a year when you can have one that sales 200,000 per year?

Like I keep saying. If this diesel in the F150 is the 3.0L and not the V8 3.6L then it is only for those that want to save fuel and are wiling to sacrifice performance for it which is a very small percentage of buyers. Just like the Ecodiesel, it will be no where near the towing performer of the 3.5L Ecoboost or Hemi. Not even close. With today's fuel prices, most are not willing to give up of the performance of their Hemi or Ecoboost if they get at least 16-17 mpg combined. It is worth the extra money to them for the added performance loaded and unloaded regardless of who likes to get to the top of the hill first.

Also, you said something that your 8-speed truck beat a 6-speed Ecoboost off the line. I hope you mean the 2.7L because their is no way it will with the 3.5L even with the two gear advantage of ypur truck.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


That kinda makes you ask why are they buying engines when they have their own in house small diesel??? Must be they don't have any confidence in their baby diesels? Remember boys, that is what some of you say is why Chrysler buys engines from Cummins right? Looks like the crows are coming home to roost for some of you guys.

Uhmm, the 3.0L Land Rover diesel is a Ford engine.

Ford AJD-V6/PSA DT17

I think you got as much hatred for Ford as Fish does for Ram/Cummins. Even worse is I think you have disdain for Ford owners. Why? What is the point in not liking someone just because of what they prefer to drive? Life is too short for that nonsense.