F150 Ecoboost Reliability

Fordlover wrote:

CWSWine wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


Our Edge Ecoboost can do all of that, and the ecoboost engine was only a 900 dollar upgrade (try to buy the diesel upgrade with only 900), we didn't need to buy a tune, and the backseat is quite roomy for 3. And in an emergency handling situation, I'd rather be piloting the Edge than a truck.

My diesel option was 8200 MSRP but after discounts it was 7200 dollars. A 4 year old F350 according to the Used Car Price Guide you can add 8,000 for the diesel option. Not Bad..... What other option is worth more on a used truck then what you paid for new?

I must not be financially sophisticated enough to understand how buying a 55K dollar truck, then selling it for 10,000 20 years later is anything but a net loss, but it's a win because it would only be worth 4K without the diesel option.

I don't understand. Are you saying buying a $47k gasser and selling it for $4k in 20 years is better?
I'd excpect a 20 year old used truck to not be worth much. Avg say 300kmi, the principle cost is about 0.15/mile without considering inflation. Pretty good if you ask me. I've been able to flip vehicles for an out of pocket around .10/mile but that was with the right deals on both ends and required me to basically start looking for the next new used truck for a screamin deal after buying one.
In general vehicles are and will always be depreciating assets. Greatly because they get wore out hauling your ASSets around for 20 years.
It's possible to "cheat the system" so to speak and still drive a nice vehicle but it typically requires buying and selling used as one finds a great deal and can turn the old vehicle for top dollar.....relatively frequently.
Maybe you're just bagging on the guys that spend big $ on trucks because........

Funny the Ecodiesel in most cases exceeds the 27 MPG rating and mine has 3.92 gears and fully loaded CC 4X4. Tows with in it's ratings (and over) WITHOUT having to strip the truck to fool the little mindless sheep!

I honestly feel sorry for these guys that can understand there are better trucks out there. But it did take me a half dozen Blue Oval junks before I figured it out also.

Don

The F150 was investigated for MPG because of **** like this...



Consumers see this and they believe it to be set in stone.

EPA estimated fuel economy in big bold print. Consumers buy it expecting that mileage. Only they buy the crew cab, long box, 4x4 with 3.73 gears. Not the reg cab, short box, 3.31 geared 4x4.

Consumers don't drive like EPA testing either.

So they take their trucks to Ford for crappy mileage. Ford takes it for a spin at 55mph. It's still less than the bold number but within the range in the little fine print. Ford tells them its within accepted range. Of the dealer is feeling generous they will do a flash but otherwise send the consumer home.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

For my good ole buddy Troy, The EPA did investigate the F-150 BUT found it to be within the the acceptable range and it was dropped.

For Fordlover, you said "I've never particularly enjoyed a long trip riding in the back seat of a crew cab of any of the brands" well maybe you drive a Ram 1500 or even the 2500 and see how well they ride. Dear ole Dad owns a big ole 14 Caddy and thinks my truck rides as good as his car! Me not so much but then he owns a 1991 Ram 350 CTD so that might be the reason. :W

In closing I'll say it one more time the Ecoboost has proven itself to be a very good engine just a bit more thirsty than Ford said it would be.

Don

In your first sentence, you said Ford F-150 was investigated by the EPA, but was dropped because it was within the acceptable range (ie, the EPA estimates published). Then you said it is more thirsty than Ford said it would be. So which is it, can't have it both ways?

As far as my complaint about long rides in pickups, it's not suspension related, but rather the upright seatback that is uncomfortable to me on long car rides. I haven't seen any crew cabs that allow you to recline in the back seat without losing legroom, with the exception of the megacab.

CWSWine wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


Our Edge Ecoboost can do all of that, and the ecoboost engine was only a 900 dollar upgrade (try to buy the diesel upgrade with only 900), we didn't need to buy a tune, and the backseat is quite roomy for 3. And in an emergency handling situation, I'd rather be piloting the Edge than a truck.

My diesel option was 8200 MSRP but after discounts it was 7200 dollars. A 4 year old F350 according to the Used Car Price Guide you can add 8,000 for the diesel option. Not Bad..... What other option is worth more on a used truck then what you paid for new?

I must not be financially sophisticated enough to understand how buying a 55K dollar truck, then selling it for 10,000 20 years later is anything but a net loss, but it's a win because it would only be worth 4K without the diesel option.

Man God forbid someone doesn't kneel before the Almighty Ecoboost right guys? Lets clear the air here so some of you can pull your panties out of you @$$ES.

For my good ole buddy Troy, The EPA did investigate the F-150 BUT found it to be within the the acceptable range and it was dropped. The others not so much! It has cost Ford millions and given them a black eye.

For Fordlover, you said "I've never particularly enjoyed a long trip riding in the back seat of a crew cab of any of the brands" well maybe you drive a Ram 1500 or even the 2500 and see how well they ride. Dear ole Dad owns a big ole 14 Caddy and thinks my truck rides as good as his car! Me not so much but then he owns a 1991 Ram 350 CTD so that might be the reason. :W

And for 2112 LOL said "Don, let's see your truck haul my FW through the mountains, or even on the flats. Yea, that's what I thought!" WTF really? My truck was NEVER intended to tow a FW per Ram Trucks! That would be why they do not offer a factory FW hitch for the Ram. However there are guys towing fivers with them and one guy tows a 32' fiver and claims it tows fine everywhere except very step grades. I know it tows my 6000# boat without braking a sweat at all and without one bit of sway. The boat is a 24' Larson Admiral Day very heavy and thirsty too! Maybe I can drop a E-diesel in her next winter! :W

In closing I'll say it one more time the Ecoboost has proven itself to be a very good engine just a bit more thirsty than Ford said it would be.

Don

Fordlover wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Fordlover wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
21 mpg is nothing to brag about. Like I said the reason the F150 will be fallowing Ram and adding a diesel is the up coming new MPG regulations on pickups. FCA just happened to have a good reliable small diesel in house.

My 4X4 pick up was running 28 mpg @77 mph on the highway all day long. Now with the GDE tune I'm running 30 @ 77 mph, no BS believe it or not.

GDE is working on the baby Dmax doing tune testing right now. As a OEM provider of ECM programs they know exactly where to make changes, to maximize fuel economy and wake up the engine without compromising its life.


Don

If your only priority when purchasing a vehicle is maximum fuel economy, buying a truck is a mistake. However, since many people use pickups as fashion statements and commuter cars, I think the diesel is a great choice and Fiat was wise to offer it. But the little diesel flat won't cut it for some people's needs.
It's also worth noting that fuel expense is just one part of the equation of vehicle operating expenses.

I don't know, if he's really getting 28 highway there aren't a lot of other vehicles that can comfortably carry a family of 5 and return that kind of fuel economy. I happened to see one of my cousins last weekend and she has a new hybrid Highlander, which you'd think would be the gold standard for that scenario, and she told me it gets around 28 highway.

I personally wouldn't buy an EcoDiesel due to the potential for a major injection pump issue, but they get very impressive mileage.

Our Edge Ecoboost can do all of that, and the ecoboost engine was only a 900 dollar upgrade (try to buy the diesel upgrade with only 900), we didn't need to buy a tune, and the backseat is quite roomy for 3. And in an emergency handling situation, I'd rather be piloting the Edge than a truck.

Ahh the ole Fordlover vs Dodgeboy........think I'm gonna change my name to Chevyguy if it's not already taken so I can stake a good claim on the 3rd side of the fence! Lol
J/k guys. Really I haul a family of 8 in a Hyndai Sonata pulling a 6klb TT returning 33mpg uphill with a 1900lb payload capacity before using a weight dist hitch!

That's why I love this forum, the useless banter rivals any dedicated truck, boat or snowmachine forum I'm part of!

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


Our Edge Ecoboost can do all of that, and the ecoboost engine was only a 900 dollar upgrade (try to buy the diesel upgrade with only 900), we didn't need to buy a tune, and the backseat is quite roomy for 3. And in an emergency handling situation, I'd rather be piloting the Edge than a truck.

My diesel option was 8200 MSRP but after discounts it was 7200 dollars. A 4 year old F350 according to the Used Car Price Guide you can add 8,000 for the diesel option. Not Bad..... What other option is worth more on a used truck then what you paid for new?

IdaD wrote:

Fordlover wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Fordlover wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
21 mpg is nothing to brag about. Like I said the reason the F150 will be fallowing Ram and adding a diesel is the up coming new MPG regulations on pickups. FCA just happened to have a good reliable small diesel in house.

My 4X4 pick up was running 28 mpg @77 mph on the highway all day long. Now with the GDE tune I'm running 30 @ 77 mph, no BS believe it or not.

GDE is working on the baby Dmax doing tune testing right now. As a OEM provider of ECM programs they know exactly where to make changes, to maximize fuel economy and wake up the engine without compromising its life.


Don

If your only priority when purchasing a vehicle is maximum fuel economy, buying a truck is a mistake. However, since many people use pickups as fashion statements and commuter cars, I think the diesel is a great choice and Fiat was wise to offer it. But the little diesel flat won't cut it for some people's needs.
It's also worth noting that fuel expense is just one part of the equation of vehicle operating expenses.

I don't know, if he's really getting 28 highway there aren't a lot of other vehicles that can comfortably carry a family of 5 and return that kind of fuel economy. I happened to see one of my cousins last weekend and she has a new hybrid Highlander, which you'd think would be the gold standard for that scenario, and she told me it gets around 28 highway.

I personally wouldn't buy an EcoDiesel due to the potential for a major injection pump issue, but they get very impressive mileage.

Our Edge Ecoboost can do all of that, and the ecoboost engine was only a 900 dollar upgrade (try to buy the diesel upgrade with only 900), we didn't need to buy a tune, and the backseat is quite roomy for 3. And in an emergency handling situation, I'd rather be piloting the Edge than a truck.

The new Edge is nice but I wouldn't say it's as good for a family of five. The rear seat is tighter and the truck has way more cargo capacity, and covered cargo capacity at that if you add a canopy.

I suppose the best answer for a family vehicle with a priority on fuel economy would be the new plug in hybrid minivan that's coming out soon. I believe it's a Chrysler but I can't imagine competitors will be far behind. Supposedly it can run up to 30 miles on electricity alone.

To each their own I guess. I've never particularly enjoyed a long trip riding in the back seat of a crew cab of any of the brands (never ridden in the back of a megacab). However, the reclining rear seats of the Edge are quite nice for longer stretches. ;)

Fordlover wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Fordlover wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
21 mpg is nothing to brag about. Like I said the reason the F150 will be fallowing Ram and adding a diesel is the up coming new MPG regulations on pickups. FCA just happened to have a good reliable small diesel in house.

My 4X4 pick up was running 28 mpg @77 mph on the highway all day long. Now with the GDE tune I'm running 30 @ 77 mph, no BS believe it or not.

GDE is working on the baby Dmax doing tune testing right now. As a OEM provider of ECM programs they know exactly where to make changes, to maximize fuel economy and wake up the engine without compromising its life.


Don

If your only priority when purchasing a vehicle is maximum fuel economy, buying a truck is a mistake. However, since many people use pickups as fashion statements and commuter cars, I think the diesel is a great choice and Fiat was wise to offer it. But the little diesel flat won't cut it for some people's needs.
It's also worth noting that fuel expense is just one part of the equation of vehicle operating expenses.

I don't know, if he's really getting 28 highway there aren't a lot of other vehicles that can comfortably carry a family of 5 and return that kind of fuel economy. I happened to see one of my cousins last weekend and she has a new hybrid Highlander, which you'd think would be the gold standard for that scenario, and she told me it gets around 28 highway.

I personally wouldn't buy an EcoDiesel due to the potential for a major injection pump issue, but they get very impressive mileage.

Our Edge Ecoboost can do all of that, and the ecoboost engine was only a 900 dollar upgrade (try to buy the diesel upgrade with only 900), we didn't need to buy a tune, and the backseat is quite roomy for 3. And in an emergency handling situation, I'd rather be piloting the Edge than a truck.

The new Edge is nice but I wouldn't say it's as good for a family of five. The rear seat is tighter and the truck has way more cargo capacity, and covered cargo capacity at that if you add a canopy.

I suppose the best answer for a family vehicle with a priority on fuel economy would be the new plug in hybrid minivan that's coming out soon. I believe it's a Chrysler but I can't imagine competitors will be far behind. Supposedly it can run up to 30 miles on electricity alone.