Fiat and Cummins in court

Com on now no one takes personal responsebillety hear.
Frank.

personal responsibility eh Bumpy?, gets you every time :-)

Bumpyroad wrote:

drittal wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

I don't know why you or anyone else thinks spilling any amount of fuel on the ground is a good idea and if the EPA catches wind of this I bet we will be seeing a recall on this system. If in fact they do let fuel spill on the ground. Even if it was caused be operator error or not.

You could accidentally spill fuel on the ground by grabbing the handle before it's in the fuel neck, but the EPA isn't cracking down.

The system will not spill fuel unless there is operator error.

and then it is designed to do so?
bumpy

It is designed to keep water from entering the fuel system.

If you incorrectly fuel and cause a spill that is on you, not the manufacturers.

Bumpyroad wrote:

Sport45 wrote:

The EPA really doesn't care about that sort of thing. You're not describing a spill to the ground. That's a spill to a paved area where the runoff is supposed to be caught and at minimum run through an underflow skimmer to prevent hydrocarbon reaching the ground/water table.
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pure jibberish.
bumpy

I don't know- ever been in a truck stop , they slop more fuel then the exxon valdez

nobody takes any notice

Sport45 wrote:

The EPA really doesn't care about that sort of thing. You're not describing a spill to the ground. That's a spill to a paved area where the runoff is supposed to be caught and at minimum run through an underflow skimmer to prevent hydrocarbon reaching the ground/water table.
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pure jibberish.
bumpy

Sport45 wrote:

mich800 wrote:

drittal wrote:
Btw, the federal reportable spill quantity for Diesel fuel is 100lbs or those that violate applicable water quality standards.

Some states have adopted more strict standards, but I highly doubt the EPA is going to fine anybody if they accidentally spill a little fuel on the ground before the nozzle clicks off.

Judging from most gas stations I have been to, the EPA must be taking in fines hand over fist. :D I have to be to one that did not have a little gas and a lot of diesel around the pumps.

The EPA really doesn't care about that sort of thing. You're not describing a spill to the ground. That's a spill to a paved area where the runoff is supposed to be caught and at minimum run through an underflow skimmer to prevent hydrocarbon reaching the ground/water table.

Canopies typically aren't installed over pump islands so the users can do their thing out of the sun and weather. The canopy is there to minimize stormwater that has to be collected and treated.

I guess we will just have to agree to agree. :)

mich800 wrote:

drittal wrote:
Btw, the federal reportable spill quantity for Diesel fuel is 100lbs or those that violate applicable water quality standards.

Some states have adopted more strict standards, but I highly doubt the EPA is going to fine anybody if they accidentally spill a little fuel on the ground before the nozzle clicks off.

Judging from most gas stations I have been to, the EPA must be taking in fines hand over fist. :D I have to be to one that did not have a little gas and a lot of diesel around the pumps.

The EPA really doesn't care about that sort of thing. You're not describing a spill to the ground. That's a spill to a paved area where the runoff is supposed to be caught and at minimum run through an underflow skimmer to prevent hydrocarbon reaching the ground/water table.

Canopies typically aren't installed over pump islands so the users can do their thing out of the sun and weather. The canopy is there to minimize stormwater that has to be collected and treated.

drittal wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

I don't know why you or anyone else thinks spilling any amount of fuel on the ground is a good idea and if the EPA catches wind of this I bet we will be seeing a recall on this system. If in fact they do let fuel spill on the ground. Even if it was caused be operator error or not.

You could accidentally spill fuel on the ground by grabbing the handle before it's in the fuel neck, but the EPA isn't cracking down.

The system will not spill fuel unless there is operator error.

and then it is designed to do so?
bumpy

drittal wrote:
Btw, the federal reportable spill quantity for Diesel fuel is 100lbs or those that violate applicable water quality standards.

Some states have adopted more strict standards, but I highly doubt the EPA is going to fine anybody if they accidentally spill a little fuel on the ground before the nozzle clicks off.

Judging from most gas stations I have been to, the EPA must be taking in fines hand over fist. :D I have to be to one that did not have a little gas and a lot of diesel around the pumps.

Btw, the federal reportable spill quantity for Diesel fuel is 100lbs or those that violate applicable water quality standards.

Some states have adopted more strict standards, but I highly doubt the EPA is going to fine anybody if they accidentally spill a little fuel on the ground before the nozzle clicks off.