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Patriots sell poorly because they are not really a Jeep in the traditional sense, as they use the same platform as the Dodge Caliber, a car. It's a grocery-getter SUV that will make it to town when the roads are snowy, and it has some off road capability as well.

People who buy things that say "Jeep" on them expect something else.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

travelnutz wrote:
NJRVer,

Losing jobs? DUH, Jeep is going to Mexico and it's not a low volume seller like Dart. The low volume selling cars are being cancelled. Try to comprehend when you research and/or read something!

The Jeep Cherokee is moving to Belvedere, Ill. The Jeep Patriot is moving to Mexico a lower volume vehicle than the Cherokee by far! Stop with the BS Tnutz! Go out in the boat salmon fishing and drink a beer!

Don

I thought Chrysler was going to stop producing the Jeep Patriot. I think this has been planned on and off for a number of years, but the Patriot just seems to keep plugging away.

So the Patriot will continue to be made, but in Mexico. I'm assuming it will still be sold in the USA and Canada ? Wonder how many more model years the Patriot will be made, with little change ? Think production started in 2007.

My son bought a Patriot Trail Rated, 4 WD in April, 2014. There have been a few things that needed repair, but generally he has been quite happy with this versatile little rig.

I think the Jeep Patriot doesn't seem to get the respect it should. It's a tough, little vehicle that with the optional Trail Rated package can handle difficult, traction limited situations.

GWolfe wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
Sounds like a Jeep Wrangler to me..

Do they not teach students how to use mirrors and look over shoulder to check blind spots in driver's ed class anymore??

A friend of mine only looks at the back up camera display when backing, drives me nuts. She thinks she sees all she needs to see.

Sorry off topic.

Some of the vehicles have such a high horizontal surface that you can't see the last 3-4 feet without a camera. The Impala is one of those and the result is a HUGE trunk.

Son's other vehicle is a Ford Hybrid (?)-the one with the battery. DIL drives it but really likes the Impala camera. Most women use the back up camera solely and if you have a late model Impala it is mandatory-of course side mirrors are also important.

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
Sounds like a Jeep Wrangler to me..

Do they not teach students how to use mirrors and look over shoulder to check blind spots in driver's ed class anymore??

A friend of mine only looks at the back up camera display when backing, drives me nuts. She thinks she sees all she needs to see.

Sorry off topic.

Sounds like a Jeep Wrangler to me..

Do they not teach students how to use mirrors and look over shoulder to check blind spots in driver's ed class anymore??

I have not seen any Darts and maybe it is because it looks like so many others that size. I will start paying more attention. I am on my third Impala and I have begun to notice many other makes that size with similar sides, lights and front. I dunno. Very few 200's. I will say that my son bought a new Jeep a few weeks ago. Don't know what model because it seems there are so many types and I haven't paid any attention. Has 4 doors and removable hard top for a soft top. Manual shift for 4 wheel drive. Big ugly spare hanging off the back. I was shocked to see that it did not have lane departure or back up camera although it's loaded with everything one could imagine. DIL said it was an off road model although it did not have the really wide oversize tires. DIL doesn't like it because of lack of a backup camera and refuses to drive it. Maybe he bought it for that reason?:h

Back on subject. Since he bought it I see a LOT of those type Jeeps. Looks like a baby Hummer. I was a little shocked when I saw it because he said he wanted a small camper and this thing will not pull what he needs but he didn't buy it for my approval. If it is half the vehicle as his previous Jeep Grand Cherokee AWD that was 14 years old and exterior and interior in excellent shape he has a good one.

travelnutz wrote:
NJRVer,

Losing jobs? DUH, Jeep is going to Mexico and it's not a low volume seller like Dart. The low volume selling cars are being cancelled. Try to comprehend when you research and/or read something!

The Jeep Cherokee is moving to Belvedere, Ill. The Jeep Patriot is moving to Mexico a lower volume vehicle than the Cherokee by far! Stop with the BS Tnutz! Go out in the boat salmon fishing and drink a beer!

Don

BTW Toledo Jeep is hiring 700-750 new hires next year they were accepting apps two weeks ago. Belvedere plans on hiring up to 300 new hires and Sterling Heights is going to be hiring also just no numbers for them yet. Will there be layoffs not that I have heard of. The workers on the Cherokee line have been offered some decent money to move with the line to Illinois. If they stay in Toledo they will move to the Wrangler line and lose their department seniority.

Still love the way no one is saying anything about Ford and GM's plans.

travelnutz wrote:
Humorous as to seeing many FCA Darts for sure because I live only 116 air miles from where FCA's Darts are made and yet we are very lucky the see as many as one of them a week in our region. Yup, they are nixing the Dart and for very good reasons as it's a big loser for FCA and very poor seller! Also notice that FCA is moving Jeep building to Toluca, Mexico from Belvidere, Illinois too. Won't have to ship the Mexican made engines north thousands of miles to the U.S. for the engines any more. Then they can import the engines in the Mexican made vehicle and save money. Smart!?!?!?. What it really means is: Simply, bye bye for so many more American jobs but why not since FCA is actually an Italian owned and run corporation anyway!

Wow there is so much BS in this post, even for you TN.

One maybe if you remove your blinders you might see more of them. My DD has one and in 30K miles has been in the shop one time for a noisy oil pump that was fixed in two hours. I have been in the Cruz and it is not even close to the Dart in comfort, ride and interior space. The Ford Focus has a little better ride but lack the Darts interior space.

The engines for the Dart are 2.0 made in Dundee, Mich and the 2.4 that is being built in Trenton, Mich for the Dart. The 2.4 is built in Mexico but for vehicles built in that country.

No jobs are being lost in the US and FCA is investing billions in it's N. American plants, Toledo Jeep 800M, Belvedere, Ill. 350M and Stirling Mich 1.07B. Looks like a whole lot of jobs for hard working Union members here in the good ole USA to me!

So what about GM and Ford moving their small cars to Mexico TN? Your hatred for anything Chrysler is making you look like a grumpy old man there guy. The workers at GM's Lordstown plant are not long for this world as there is just not any profit in small cars built here in the States. That is why Ford, GM and FCA are moving small cars south of the border, $12 per hour is a whole lot less then $29 in anyones book!

Don

Charlie D. wrote:
jtallon-Your link provides a different perspective. Although job neutral I assume they are speaking of total jobs company wide. The phrase "painful layoffs" does not sound like job neutral.
I do understand the global economy concept but it is never good to see American jobs lost.

"Painful layoffs" can still be job neutral - and still be painful. As you said, it's likely company wide. Shifting jobs from one plant to another is pretty painful for employees at the plant being shut down. It's not very comforting to know your job isn't technically going away - it's just moving to an entirely different city, and it's not really "yours" anymore. Or that hey, we're laying you off now, but you can have your job back, in a year, when we're done refitting the plant...

That's the economy we've created. Go any farther, and the discussion starts to get political, so it's best left there.

jtallon-Your link provides a different perspective. Although job neutral I assume they are speaking of total jobs company wide. The phrase "painful layoffs" does not sound like job neutral.
I do understand the global economy concept but it is never good to see American jobs lost.