Fiat and Cummins in court

FishOnOne wrote:
And that F150 doesn't have a DEF fill port right next door to the diesel fill port either just waiting for a spill to occur. I would most definitely have the MOPAR diesel protective cap.

Troy were is the DEF filler located on the HD Fords? Same spot as my truck right? I mean the new F-150 3.0 diesel is not being sold yet so no a F-150 wouldn't have a DEF filler now would it? :p

Don

blofgren upload and show this to your dealer and they can order it. Cost is around 17 bucks?


Bumpy I do agree that with the cost of vehicles these days, having to spend $17.00 for for a cap is a bit redonkulous. But having peace of mind at $17.00 is not a bad deal either.

Don

Made a quick call to my dealer and the part number is in deed 82214609 and the list price is $20.00.

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:
Don, thanks for posting those pics of that cap. Do you happen to have a part number for it? I would like to add one to my truck.

And Bumpy, my 2012 Ford F-150 work truck has a capless fuel filler system also so this arrangement is definitely not unique to Ram. :R

And that F150 doesn't have a DEF fill port right next door to the diesel fill port either just waiting for a spill to occur. I would most definitely have the MOPAR diesel protective cap.

Just like the F150's cap less filler, the Ram has two flaps in the filler port. One on the outside which keeps the debris out, and another deep down in the filler that requires a fair amount of pressure to open. In order to even put fuel in your tank from a gas/fuel can, a special funnel that comes with the truck is required so the it can open this second flap since most gas/fue can spouts are not long enough.

Also, in between these two flaps is a hole in the filler neck. If any water gets passed the first flap then it will seep out of this hole to the ground if there is nothing to open the second flap. In other words, you would have to want to put water in your tank to get it in there because it would require you to use the special funnel to do it.

blofgren wrote:
Don, thanks for posting those pics of that cap. Do you happen to have a part number for it? I would like to add one to my truck.

And Bumpy, my 2012 Ford F-150 work truck has a capless fuel filler system also so this arrangement is definitely not unique to Ram. :R

And that F150 doesn't have a DEF fill port right next door to the diesel fill port either just waiting for a spill to occur. I would most definitely have the MOPAR diesel protective cap.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
. I put the cap on it as I do not want dust and moisture to accumulate around the filler tube.

Don

I discussed dirt/dust in the previous post. so I see you agree with me. don't remember saying that I thought it was only a ram problem. that happened to be what my friend had and brought it to my attention. since you can buy a cap from the mfr. why didn't they include it in a $66000 truck?
bumpy

Don, thanks for posting those pics of that cap. Do you happen to have a part number for it? I would like to add one to my truck.

And Bumpy, my 2012 Ford F-150 work truck has a capless fuel filler system also so this arrangement is definitely not unique to Ram. :R

Bumpyroad wrote:

yep, spend $60-70 K for a truck and have to buy a gas cap. When better Dodges are engineered, Fiat will engineer them.
bumpy

LMAO Bumpy your so funny sometimes! The EPA is mandating a capless system even Ford as them on their cars and trucks. I put the cap on it as I do not want dust and moisture to accumulate around the filler tube. Ford offers a locking and non locking cap also just like FCA. Not sure if GM offers any caps locking or non I'm sure the GM guys can let us know.

BTW this issue has noting to do with the capless filler. If water would get in the fuel tank the WIF warning light would go off. Again lets not let anything like facts get in your way of running off at the keyboard their Bumpy ole Boy.

Don

Grit dog wrote:

Regarding the fuel caps. Idk how they do in real dusty or muddy conditions with no cap, but I've only run these trucks in the snow and in a cold blizzard, fine snow, it would work its way into the fuel fillers and pack up in the filler neck with some getting into the tank when digging it out. On the trucks that lost the little plastic plug they came with.

and any dirt getting past that fuel door gasket would/could fall into the tank opening and be knocked down it when the fuel nozzle is jammed thru those two magic doors.
bumpy

mich800 wrote:

So the issue is water in the fuel? And if so, why is this not corrected by the water separator/filter?

The issue is with excessive moisture deactivating the SCR system. What I have heard sounds like an issue post-DEF injection. http://www.dieselforum.org/about-clean-diesel/what-is-scr

I suspect something is going on where the DEF isn't being broken down to ammonia and the DI water is causing an issue.

Water in the fuel does not appear to be the cause. I was commenting on the poster that said that water had free entry into the diesel tank,. which is incorrect.

Will be interesting to see what the real problem is. Too vague of a description right now.
My assumption was that the downstream emissions equipment was Fram parts. When I had issues with def injectors, Fram was on backorder and even though under warranty I tried getting them from Cummins and was told they were Fram only parts.
Regarding the fuel caps. Idk how they do in real dusty or muddy conditions with no cap, but I've only run these trucks in the snow and in a cold blizzard, fine snow, it would work its way into the fuel fillers and pack up in the filler neck with some getting into the tank when digging it out. On the trucks that lost the little plastic plug they came with.