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Dec 22, 2017

Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer

Hi All,

Been attempting to crunch numbers based on our existing 2-horse trailer to find an appropriate towing vehicle, but I keep getting lost in all the numbers (GTW, GVWR, GCWR, hitch weight, payload weight, curb weight, ad nauseum). Sigh... Any help greatly appreciated!

So, here's what I have:

2006 Trail-et New Yorker:
Trailer weights 3500lbs
Trailer's GVWR is 7780lbs
2 larger horses weighting up to 3200lbs
Gear and feed weighing in around 400lbs
Vehicle carrying around 700lbs cargo/passengers

We've been looking at used Expeditions, some of which seem to match up OK, if i have the numbers right (7000-8000lb tow capacity, etc.).

Thanks!!!

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Been attempting to crunch numbers based on our existing 2-horse trailer to find an appropriate towing vehicle, but I keep getting lost in all the numbers (GTW, GVWR, GCWR, hitch weight, payload weight, curb weight, ad nauseum). Sigh... Any help greatly appreciated!

So, here's what I have:

2006 Trail-et New Yorker:
Trailer weights 3500lbs
Trailer's GVWR is 7780lbs
2 larger horses weighting up to 3200lbs
Gear and feed weighing in around 400lbs
Vehicle carrying around 700lbs cargo/passengers

We've been looking at used Expeditions, some of which seem to match up OK, if i have the numbers right (7000-8000lb tow capacity, etc.).

Thanks!!!","body@stringLength":"729","rawBody":"Hi All,

Been attempting to crunch numbers based on our existing 2-horse trailer to find an appropriate towing vehicle, but I keep getting lost in all the numbers (GTW, GVWR, GCWR, hitch weight, payload weight, curb weight, ad nauseum). Sigh... Any help greatly appreciated!

So, here's what I have:

2006 Trail-et New Yorker:
Trailer weights 3500lbs
Trailer's GVWR is 7780lbs
2 larger horses weighting up to 3200lbs
Gear and feed weighing in around 400lbs
Vehicle carrying around 700lbs cargo/passengers

We've been looking at used Expeditions, some of which seem to match up OK, if i have the numbers right (7000-8000lb tow capacity, etc.).

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Angst wrote:
carringb wrote:
Angst wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback!!! Very much appreciated.

One bit of info I forgot to include: this would be strictly for emergency towing.
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Honestly that makes worried even more. So now besides having an overloaded tow vehicle, you'll have little experience driving it, the rig may not get regular use or maintenance, and you'll be in a high-stress situation with possible adverse environmental or traffic conditions at the same time.


What overloaded tow vehicle? We haven't bought one yet and I'm making inquiry here and elsewhere to be sure we get the appropriate vehicle. Also, you seem to presume that I've never towed a trailer before. That would be a mistake. As to experience with the given trailer/vehicle combo, you seem to think that I won't practice with it or that somehow my 40+ years of driving various rigs won't prefigure in being able/confident in managing our future rig. While I do appreciate your concern, I think perhaps it's a tad misplaced. Though I suppose I could be wrong. Humm, and what's this I hear about the vehicle and/or rig not getting regular maintenance? Please, do pass along that crystal ball of yours, I would come in handy ;)

Carring was just answering your confused post. Remember you forgot and left a critical piece of information out like used only for emergencies. Come on man, really? And if you have as much experience as you mentioned, then this post becomes silly and a waste of space. My $.02","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-12-30T04:34:05.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-12-30T04:34:05.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2879302/message:2879326","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:41":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:41","position":33,"name":"Explorer II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:378138":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:378138","uid":378138,"login":"ppine","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-07-04T10:59:28.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:378138"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879325":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2879325","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2879325":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:378138"},"id":"message:2879325","revisionNum":1,"uid":2879325,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2879302"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2879302"},"subject":"Re: Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879325"},"body":"Pulling two horses is not that hard. You have a heavy trailer and you list your horses at 1,600 pounds apiece. Are they draft breeds? A big QH normally goes around 1,250 or so. A half ton can tow a two horse trailer.

Plenty of people around here haul stock trailers full of cattle or 8-10 horses. Diesels are preferred by far.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-12-28T07:32:10.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-12-28T07:32:10.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2879302/message:2879325","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879324":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2879324","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2879324":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:271647"},"id":"message:2879324","revisionNum":1,"uid":2879324,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2879302"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2879302"},"subject":"Re: Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879324"},"body":"VernDiesel & ksss: Thanks for the posts, guys, much appreciated...and some good suggestions/ideas. Happy New Year!

And yeah, leaning toward the bigger, 2500 or Excursion","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"177","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-12-28T07:10:20.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-12-28T07:10:20.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2879302/message:2879324","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:266199":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:266199","uid":266199,"login":"ksss","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-02-19T08:46:22.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:266199"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879323":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2879323","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2879323":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:266199"},"id":"message:2879323","revisionNum":1,"uid":2879323,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2879302"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2879302"},"subject":"Re: Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879323"},"body":"I am soo not the weight police, but in this case I would go a little larger than the towing pamphlet would suggest. Having pulled many a two horse, four horse and gooseneck horse trailers in my days with a half ton Chevy and 3/4 Ford in the 80's, I am familiar with the towing dynamics of pulling livestock. My biggest issue is the type of driving you are exposed to in that area of Cali. Rapid stopping, stop/go traffic is going to challenge the brakes and the cooling package of the tow vehicle. While a two horse trailer is not going to be a real challenge to a properly equipped half ton pickup, under those conditions I would want more brakes, and better cooling than what a 1500 could provide. A later model 2500 Suburban if your looking for an SUV, or any 2500 pickup would give you some additional capacity of a 1500 variant. Also if you upgraded to four horse you would already have a suitable tow rig. Just for the record, a four horse pulls better in my opinion, they are longer, more stable, heavier axles usually and a bigger tack room. Lastly obviously if you need to pull someone elses horse you can do that.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-12-26T19:56:36.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-12-26T19:56:36.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2879302/message:2879323","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:179368":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:179368","uid":179368,"login":"VernDiesel","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-08-03T13:08:10.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:179368"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879322":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2879322","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2879322":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:179368"},"id":"message:2879322","revisionNum":1,"uid":2879322,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2879302"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2879302"},"subject":"Re: Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879322"},"body":"Son in law had a pair of draft horses he sold. To my surprise the guy who came to pick them up towed them with a 14 Ram 1500 Hemi. All I know is it was a 2 horse bumper pull. I tow TT with 14 1500 (1/2 ton) Ram Ecodiesel so I'm acclimated to towing with the same truck except for the motor. He had a crew cab 6.5' bed with 3.92s E load tires & air bags. His only complaint was fuel economy. I didn't think ask about TW or look what hitch he used or to look if he had a factory trailer brake controller.

The Ram 1500 has a max TW of 1,290 with WDH per Rams body builder site. A proper sized & set up WDH adjusted per Cat scale results should take 1,500 pounds of static TW (At least with TTs) and distribute about 1,300 between the TV axles (actual seen TW) and the other 200 back to the trailer axles. Boarderline indeed. I have no doubt this would work well but I suspect it would not hold up well long term and a little rough terrain. The hitch or receiver might break and would likely happen at the worst time. Not necessary that it would result in an accident more likely to be just an embarrassing inconvenient pain in the butt.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-12-26T18:20:59.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-12-26T18:20:59.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2879302/message:2879322","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879321":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2879321","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2879321":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:271647"},"id":"message:2879321","revisionNum":1,"uid":2879321,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2879302"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2879302"},"subject":"Re: Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879321"},"body":"
carringb wrote:
Angst wrote:

So, what SUV, if any, would you recommend? An Excursion over an Expedition? A Suburban 2500 over 1500? Both the larger vehicles have tow ratings running from 11k - 12k (at the upper end models), 3/4 ton and very large payload ratings (over 1900/2800lbs)


Yes, either a Suburban 2500 or an Excursion would be much more suitable. Just beware the Suburbans have some hitch constraints. The 2007+ ones have a 1,000# limit and can't be easily upgraded. The older ones have factory hitch susceptible to failure, but at least it's an easy swap to a much stronger aftermarket Class-5 hitch receiver.


That's some solid info, thanks! Been leaning toward the Ford(s). They seem to have a better reliability record. Anyway, appreciate your time and knowledge...

Have a great holiday, all!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-12-23T17:28:43.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-12-23T17:28:43.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2879302/message:2879321","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:120418":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:120418","uid":120418,"login":"carringb","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-07-28T08:06:50.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:120418"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879320":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2879320","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2879320":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:120418"},"id":"message:2879320","revisionNum":1,"uid":2879320,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2879302"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2879302"},"subject":"Re: Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879320"},"body":"
Angst wrote:

So, what SUV, if any, would you recommend? An Excursion over an Expedition? A Suburban 2500 over 1500? Both the larger vehicles have tow ratings running from 11k - 12k (at the upper end models), 3/4 ton and very large payload ratings (over 1900/2800lbs)


Yes, either a Suburban 2500 or an Excursion would be much more suitable. Just beware the Suburbans have some hitch constraints. The 2007+ ones have a 1,000# limit and can't be easily upgraded. The older ones have factory hitch susceptible to failure, but at least it's an easy swap to a much stronger aftermarket Class-5 hitch receiver.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-12-23T16:57:56.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-12-23T16:57:56.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2879302/message:2879320","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879319":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2879319","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2879319":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:271647"},"id":"message:2879319","revisionNum":1,"uid":2879319,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2879302"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2879302"},"subject":"Re: Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879319"},"body":"
carringb wrote:
Angst wrote:


What overloaded tow vehicle? We haven't bought one yet and I'm making inquiry here and elsewhere to be sure we get the appropriate vehicle. Also, you seem to presume that I've never towed a trailer before. That would be a mistake. As to experience with the given trailer/vehicle combo, you seem to think that I won't practice with it or that somehow my 40+ years of driving various rigs won't prefigure in being able/confident in managing our future rig. While I do appreciate your concern, I think perhaps it's a tad misplaced. Though I suppose I could be wrong. Humm, and what's this I hear about the vehicle and/or rig not getting regular maintenance? Please, do pass along that crystal ball of yours, I would come in handy ;)


Sorry, I didn't mean to sound presumptuous. My point was that overloading an Expedition with high tongue weight, won't be any safer just because it will only be used for emergencies.

I just think your probably of success will be much higher with a suitable vehicle, that you can use more than just once a decade for emergency evacuations. Having prior towing experience may not translate into being fully comfortable with a two vehicle you seldom tow with. You're right, I have no idea what your maintenance regiments are, but I know how easy it is to let an extra vehicle sit longer unused than I ever anticipated.

As mentioned, most pickups will be able to manage that tongue weight better. If you need to be able to haul your whole family along with the horses, what about a van? That opens up many more models with suitable payloads.

PS - the company I worked for has done several \"cleanups\" from horse towing gone wrong. The worst one I did was after a horse panicked when the trailer started swaying. The driver got the trailer under control, but the horse tried to exit through the window, severing its carotid.


Thanks for the very kind reply, carringb, much appreciated. And point taken re. amount of use (little or a lot) doesn't necessarily determine how safe/unsafe a particular rig might be.

So, what SUV, if any, would you recommend? An Excursion over an Expedition? A Suburban 2500 over 1500? Both the larger vehicles have tow ratings running from 11k - 12k (at the upper end models), 3/4 ton and very large payload ratings (over 1900/2800lbs)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-12-23T14:27:02.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-12-23T14:27:02.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":468},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2879302/message:2879319","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879318":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2879318","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2879318":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:120418"},"id":"message:2879318","revisionNum":1,"uid":2879318,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2879302"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2879302"},"subject":"Re: Finding Towing Vehicle for Horse Trailer","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2879318"},"body":"
Angst wrote:


What overloaded tow vehicle? We haven't bought one yet and I'm making inquiry here and elsewhere to be sure we get the appropriate vehicle. Also, you seem to presume that I've never towed a trailer before. That would be a mistake. As to experience with the given trailer/vehicle combo, you seem to think that I won't practice with it or that somehow my 40+ years of driving various rigs won't prefigure in being able/confident in managing our future rig. While I do appreciate your concern, I think perhaps it's a tad misplaced. Though I suppose I could be wrong. Humm, and what's this I hear about the vehicle and/or rig not getting regular maintenance? Please, do pass along that crystal ball of yours, I would come in handy ;)


Sorry, I didn't mean to sound presumptuous. My point was that overloading an Expedition with high tongue weight, won't be any safer just because it will only be used for emergencies.

I just think your probably of success will be much higher with a suitable vehicle, that you can use more than just once a decade for emergency evacuations. Having prior towing experience may not translate into being fully comfortable with a two vehicle you seldom tow with. You're right, I have no idea what your maintenance regiments are, but I know how easy it is to let an extra vehicle sit longer unused than I ever anticipated.

As mentioned, most pickups will be able to manage that tongue weight better. If you need to be able to haul your whole family along with the horses, what about a van? That opens up many more models with suitable payloads.

PS - the company I worked for has done several \"cleanups\" from horse towing gone wrong. The worst one I did was after a horse panicked when the trailer started swaying. 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