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- Isn't there a Diesel vs. Gas sticky?
As to the original post it is cool to see another option available. The F150 which includes a max payload package might make a nice diesel '5/8 ton' for those who are looking for it. I would think a little more weight on the front axle would help with towing stability.
My 2012 gas burner may not get the milage, but I sure like the low end torque it provides with pretty good hp to boot. I hope to run with it a long time. Had the diesel been an option in 2012 I would have taken it for a test drive.
Good luck,
Stu ShinerBock wrote:
You're Absolutely Correct.troubledwaters wrote:
I have an idea. Why don't you compare your bare bones diesel to the Platinum level trim. Then you can claim your diesel is tens of thousands of dollars cheaper to own. If your going to compare apples to oranges, go big.
If I had a bare bones diesel then I would compare it to another vehicle with the same price because it is about getting the options that are more important to me at that price, not trim levels. As I said before, some people don't mind sacrificing bells and whistle options for a better engine option, and others do not mind getting a base engine option for more bells and whistles. What everyone wants in a truck is different just like everyone's budget is different.
Again, it is about comparing the options that are more important to you within your budget, not trim level to trim level. Some may not want a Platinum just as some may not want a diesel. It really is that simple.
If you blantently ignore the glaringly conspicuous fact that the diesel engine costs $8,000.00 more than the gas engine, then the diesel is cheaper to own then the gasser.Bird Freak wrote:
I guess Ford can use any name they want on the engine they built. I don't guess Ram could rename Cummins.
Of course they can, but I find it childish to repeat a word that advertisers developed to promote a product that means absolutely nothing. Kind of like Corinthian leather, there is no such thing. I guess they need a way to attract the knuckle draggers.troubledwaters wrote:
I have an idea. Why don't you compare your bare bones diesel to the Platinum level trim. Then you can claim your diesel is tens of thousands of dollars cheaper to own. If your going to compare apples to oranges, go big.
If I had a bare bones diesel then I would compare it to another vehicle with the same price because it is about getting the options that are more important to me at that price, not trim levels. As I said before, some people don't mind sacrificing bells and whistle options for a better engine option, and others do not mind getting a base engine option for more bells and whistles. What everyone wants in a truck is different just like everyone's budget is different.
Again, it is about comparing the options that are more important to you within your budget, not trim level to trim level. Some may not want a Platinum just as some may not want a diesel. It really is that simple.- Although I will say that if someone did have $50k cash to buy a truck, then it would still probably be better for them to finance it since they would get way more in return by investing it over the 5 years especially if they have good credit and get a 0% or 1.99% interest rate.
ShinerBock wrote:
I have an idea. Why don't you compare your bare bones diesel to the Platinum level trim. Then you can claim your diesel is tens of thousands of dollars cheaper to own than a gasser. If your going to compare apples to oranges, go big.
...Trim levels are an options just like the type of engine, nav, type of seat, and so on. You can either get a low trim package option truck with a diesel for $50k or a high level trim package option gas truck for $50k. Both trucks have $50k worth of standard equipment and options. It just depends on which option is more important to you that fits within your budget. Not sure how to make that any simpler.troubledwaters wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
I already proved that wrong. Remember the 4% AAR. Why you keep repeating the same trope?
...I used $50k versus $42k to point out to the person I was quoting that even if you do calculate the $8k option for the diesel, it still comes out ahead. Use it out of context if you want, I don't care.
The only thing you proved is what someone could do, not what they actually do. This is the real world we are talking about and it is not like people that go truck shopping have $50k in their bank account and only decide to spend $42k on a truck and invest the rest. Sorry, but real world does work that way for most.
Most people finance their vehicles with a budget limit in mind or a finance limit imposed by the bank. Hence the reason why I stated earlier that most people shop and keep or take away options to stay within a certain budget, not trim level. So for a vast majority of people that do not have $50K in the bank, your theory does not work.
I am going to take a wild guess that when you purchased your truck that you wanted a diesel, but found that it was not in your budget. While justifying your decision for not getting one to yourself, you developed "sour grapes" syndrome taking offence anytime you see evidence when a diesel is a better choice. Just a guess based on what I have seen in others with the same mindset.ShinerBock wrote:
I already proved that wrong. Remember the 4% AAR. Why you keep repeating the same trope?
...I used $50k versus $42k to point out to the person I was quoting that even if you do calculate the $8k option for the diesel, it still comes out ahead. Use it out of context if you want, I don't care.kirkl wrote:
Challenge accepted - here's my info to back up what I say. Now let's see yours.troubledwaters wrote:
kirkl wrote:
Show me the declaration page from each policy.troubledwaters wrote:
So you're spending more for fuel, spending more for the engine, spending more for insurance, losing out on the interest by keeping your money invested, and think you're going to make that all up by getting 4 more mpg.
I Got to get some of that stuff you're smoking.
My insurance on my brand new 2017 ram 2500 tradesman 6.4 hemi was exactly the same as my now brand new 2017 ram 2500 tradesman cummins, exact same truck just different motors.
Oh jesus, you look it up. Call state farm and get it. thats who i go through. If your gonna through out info you prove that a diesel is more.
Clicky 1
Clicky 2Kinda like the hemi or triton or vortex. Folks are fooled so easy with names or numbers.
Vortex.... never heard that one before in regards to an engine. Must be made by the same people that make the Cummings.
