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Perrysburg Dodgeburg wrote:
Wow, were do I start. One, if gas engines are so great tell me why big trucks run diesels?
Two, I love driving my truck, there is no difference in the way a diesel equipped truck drives then a gas.
Three, noisy????? I can't here my truck run and when you walk by it you can hardly tell it is a diesel.
Four, stinky????? you can not smell any diesel fumes from a modern DPF equipped truck what so ever. A deleted truck yes but sorry DPF trucks give off no diesel smell what so ever. Gas vehicles should be so clean. I hate running behind any Ecoboost vehicle as they stink to high heaven!
Seems to be the anti diesel crowd have exaggerated claims against diesel. No wonder diesel struggles in the US, too much irrational fear and loathing- Well than maybe Ford had better stick with the Eco Boost and stay away from the Diesel market than. My truck gives off no odor at all. Neither did the 2017 Cummins I was standing behind yesterday.
Don Bionic Man wrote:
When someone says that any new diesel is loud or stinky, they lose a lot of credibility.
It stinks like burnt syrup, it's pretty obnoxious, not sure why, but our company has 2 of these, and they stink like a sickly sweet smell. Not rolling coal or anything.
As for the noise, it's loud, louder engine than any modern commercial van, not that the F150 is anything like that, it was a statement about diesel vs gas, and how it spoiled an otherwise very nice van,
Just had the turbo fail at 38955kms. Not cool. Dealer service advisor said that may explain the 22 seconds 0-60. Loving my turbo diesel lol. Anyone calls BS I'll post the service work order and or the vid of the 0-60demiles wrote:
Hybridhunter, thanks for the real world review. Dodgefanboy, his assessment is neither right or wrong and will probably mirror what some will think when trading an ecoboost for the diesel f150.
Stop feeding the troll. I own one (1/2 ton diesel pick up) and as far as being a Dodgefanboy, yep guilty as charged. I work for FCA and have owned many Ford vehicles in the past. Never owned a single one that wasn't in the service department more then they were in my garage! I started buying Chrysler products long before I went to work for them. In fact I turned down a job at Ford for a job at Chrysler.
I would buy an Honda, Toyota or even a Nissan vehicle before ever buying a Ford again.
One question, how can someone be neither right or wrong? What I posted are real world facts from an owner of the actual vehicle being discussed (not brand but model), not a commercial van. If you doubt what I have posted go check out the Ecodiesel sites and see what other owners are saying. Has the Ecodiesel had issues, yep just like all new models do. My truck has had one problem that was fixed by the dealer and thanks to Green Diesel Engineering's tune I have not had the issue return. The truck now has 58K on her and I look forward to many many more.
BTW there is a member here that owns a Ecodiesel that he uses to deliver RV's, Boats and other trailers. He had 380K+/- miles on his truck before he blew a head gasket. He decided to swap out the engine over just having the heads done.
Don- When someone says that any new diesel is loud or stinky, they lose a lot of credibility.
- Hybridhunter, thanks for the real world review. Dodgefanboy, his assessment is neither right or wrong and will probably mirror what some will think when trading an ecoboost for the diesel f150.
- Say what? "Total waste of money, terrible to drive, noisy, stinky, bad in the cold, horribly slow into the wind, $130 oil changes
Wow, were do I start. One, if gas engines are so great tell me why big trucks run diesels?
Two, I love driving my truck, there is no difference in the way a diesel equipped truck drives then a gas.
Three, noisy????? I can't here my truck run and when you walk by it you can hardly tell it is a diesel.
Four, stinky????? you can not smell any diesel fumes from a modern DPF equipped truck what so ever. A deleted truck yes but sorry DPF trucks give off no diesel smell what so ever. Gas vehicles should be so clean. I hate running behind any Ecoboost vehicle as they stink to high heaven!
Five, Cold, that I will give you, if you are not running a front cover it takes a diesel forever to heat up. However, plug it in and run a cover and you get heat just as fast as any gas vehicle.
Six, oil changes are 10,000 miles or one year on the Ram EcoD and I would think it will be the same with the 3.0 PSD.
Again we get it, you hate diesels. But until you drive/tow with a 3.0 EcoDiesel or the 3.0 PSD when it comes out you will never know the truth. When I'm towing with mine, all I do is plant the right foot and the trans shifts down and we are off to the races. There are way to many guys towing way over the limit and not having any issues with these trucks.
Comparing the F-150 that isn't even out yet to a Ford Transit van is like comparing a F-150 to F-350. The transit van is designed for long duty service hence the lower HP/TQ ratings. Just like the f-450/550 or Ram 4500/5500 trucks are de-rated when compaired to their non commercial bothers.
Don - With 250 hp across a broad range, extra gears don't really help overall power delivery, only efficiency. The PSD makes almost full power significantly below peak rpm. Gears don't add horsepower, I can't follow why others can't follow that concept.
If the diesel crowd would just acknowledge this is an expensive and pokey truck, and will be really pokey when doing anything other than towing at steady speeds on level roads, perhaps the discussion could move past hype and hyperbole, into the realm of the advantages of the diesel, because pretending that power is one of them is comical. Passing and accelerating once out of 1st gear, is all about horsepower, hence the reason all industrial motors are rated by the work they can do......In horsepower.
For example, I drive a PSD Transit 250 with 185 hp, a turbo diesel. I clocked it for argument sake, as it has a higher power to weight ratio than an F150 diesel with a 5000lb boat, and certainly less wind drag. It takes 22 seconds to get to 60 mph, passing is virtually impossible when there is wind or grade of any type. I know exactly how hopeless vehicles feel when they get into the 40lbs+ lb to hp ratio. The upside, good mileage(will never pay the cost of the engine option, but whatever), and it holds a gear well, and runs low rpm.
Compared against a fleet average with identical gas vans, with shorter gears, the mileage is about 15% better, operational costs; due to diesel being more expensive (~10%), maintenance and DEF is virtually the same. 80/20 highway /city, driven 100 miles a day on average. Longevity? Who cares, who wants a vehicle with over 150 000 miles that actually gets used? No one. Oh, and it's currently leaking oil from the turbo outlet (charge pipe).
So there, I live the diesel life with the duty cycle and usage that everyone claims works great for diesel, and hate it. Total waste of money, terrible to drive, noisy, stinky, bad in the cold, horribly slow into the wind, $130 oil changes (yes, I choose to do them myself). Straight trade for a 3.7L - 3.73 geared transit 250, I'd take it any day of the week ending with y. The Transit gas engine van is genuinely a nice vehicle, ruined by the PSD. I see the F150 as the same thing, and none of the specs or reviews suggest otherwise, or any area of superiority over the awesome gas engines.
Hater's gonna hate, sure, but to me, I just like nice stuff that does the job. I might even take on a beauty of an 2016 F250..... PSD with tons of power and decent mileage, now that's a diesel that I'd like to drive, and makes sense, maybe not dollars and cents, but it flat out works. ShinerBock wrote:
transamz9 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
As for the Ford not being able to pass at highway speeds. I just picked up the boat Sunday. It is a 24' Larson that weighs in at 6800# boat, trailer and full of fuel (55 gal.). I tried to do a video towing it but could not figure out how to live stream it. Bottom line the Ram is running a 8 speed trans and the Ford has a 10 speed. With all of those gears these little diesels do not have any problems passing. At 65 mph I put the go peddle to the floor and before I was half way around a big truck I was at 82 mph. This is with a 8 speed the 10 speed will or should do as good.
Gears only multiply torque, not horsepower which is what dictates how fast you can go passing. The difference between a 6 speed and 8 speed attached the the same engine in regards to passing power would be almost identical or very minimal. What an 8 speed will gain you is the ability to stay within your engine's peak power range better than a 6 speed especially when towing.
There can be a big difference depending on where the two extra gears are added. In big trucks the difference between a 13 and an 18 is on the bottom end. After you,re on the high side there's no difference but you take a 10 and a 13 and then you have the passing gears with the 13. 13 on the high side will walk off and leave a 10 on the high side.
I was referring to the difference between a 6 speed and 8 speed in our trucks.
I was too. Depending on where they put those 2 extra gears could have a difference on how well it accelerates at passing speeds.transamz9 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
As for the Ford not being able to pass at highway speeds. I just picked up the boat Sunday. It is a 24' Larson that weighs in at 6800# boat, trailer and full of fuel (55 gal.). I tried to do a video towing it but could not figure out how to live stream it. Bottom line the Ram is running a 8 speed trans and the Ford has a 10 speed. With all of those gears these little diesels do not have any problems passing. At 65 mph I put the go peddle to the floor and before I was half way around a big truck I was at 82 mph. This is with a 8 speed the 10 speed will or should do as good.
Gears only multiply torque, not horsepower which is what dictates how fast you can go passing. The difference between a 6 speed and 8 speed attached the the same engine in regards to passing power would be almost identical or very minimal. What an 8 speed will gain you is the ability to stay within your engine's peak power range better than a 6 speed especially when towing.
There can be a big difference depending on where the two extra gears are added. In big trucks the difference between a 13 and an 18 is on the bottom end. After you,re on the high side there's no difference but you take a 10 and a 13 and then you have the passing gears with the 13. 13 on the high side will walk off and leave a 10 on the high side.
I was referring to the difference between a 6 speed and 8 speed in our trucks.
