Fords 6.7 Scorpion Diesel motor

Cummins12V98 wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Anyone know what the most used truck is for hotshot use? It would seem that those that purposely put major miles on their trucks would want the most reliable. If not the most reliable then the least expensive to fix.

I have nothing to back this up but my own observation over many years.

RAM #1 GM #2 and Ford #3.

Fish will tell you that is not true. He will site Company owned trucks.

I am talking guys that make their living with the trucks they personally own!

Just a few years ago it Ford #2 and GM #3.

Pretty regional observation. On my travels on the turnpike in OH I generally see more GM. With Ford and Dodge more evenly split. And before you say there is no longer Dodge they are Ram, I see far more older Dodges (pre Ram so not really that old) then the newer ones.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Anyone know what the most used truck is for hotshot use? It would seem that those that purposely put major miles on their trucks would want the most reliable. If not the most reliable then the least expensive to fix.

I have nothing to back this up but my own observation over many years.

RAM #1 GM #2 and Ford #3.

Fish will tell you that is not true. He will site Company owned trucks.

I am talking guys that make their living with the trucks they personally own!

Just a few years ago it Ford #2 and GM #3.

Its true but only because there is a very small Ram dealer in Rv central Indana.

goducks10 wrote:
Anyone know what the most used truck is for hotshot use? It would seem that those that purposely put major miles on their trucks would want the most reliable. If not the most reliable then the least expensive to fix.

I have nothing to back this up but my own observation over many years.

RAM #1 GM #2 and Ford #3.

Fish will tell you that is not true. He will site Company owned trucks.

I am talking guys that make their living with the trucks they personally own!

Just a few years ago it Ford #2 and GM #3.

NinerBikes wrote:

RedRocket204 wrote:
You two have not shown any credible facts to support the making of your "expert" opinions, i.e. your personal credentials that make you an expert.

And your credentials are what? A Union Firefighter?

I already stated in this thread I am not an expert. No need to state my credentials as I'm not claiming an expert opinion. I'm just fleshing out the BS. But, nice attempt at a dig.


This is basic Logic/Critical Thinking 101 that I still remember from many, many years ago. I don't regard information as factual just because some "expert" yahoo stated they read data somewhere and now they are making what appears to be expert recommendations...or better yet, able to see into the future and "predict" what is going to happen.


Now, I do like your choice in MTBs, however I prefer to ride Yeti.

NinerBikes wrote:

The Mad Norsky wrote:
LOL, I've seen other postings from 4X4ord, and he is certainly NOT shy about loading up that truck of his.

He works it good.

You gonna be standing in line to buy it when he puts it up for sale?

Ah, not a fair question. Sides, I prefer new.

The Mad Norsky wrote:
LOL, I've seen other postings from 4X4ord, and he is certainly NOT shy about loading up that truck of his.

He works it good.

You gonna be standing in line to buy it when he puts it up for sale?

LOL, I've seen other postings from 4X4ord, and he is certainly NOT shy about loading up that truck of his.

He works it good.

RedRocket204 wrote:

NinerBikes wrote:
A very fitting name for the R&D project turned production. Seems more than a few owners have been stung by scorpion FOMOCO and their diesel products, once again, with venomous warranties. Not just a few, but many, with far too much down time before the unit is back in service. I find that unacceptable. But I guess you are OK with it. Everyone is OK with it, until they become a statistic... then they stop singing the Koolaid tune.

Once again, a baseless claim without facts to support the "many" leads to continued fear mongering tactics. Don't forget, as T & P point out, this thread is about the 6.7L.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

almost always for Cab & Chassis problems which, IIRC, are problems related to turbos or valve problems (which are different from the 350/250 SD), or in relation to some yahoo running a tuner but somehow you conveniently do not mention that.

LMAO, ya, that's right, this is all CC problems. LOL

And your reading comprehension is ??? Per the quote, pointed out your links are almost always, not all. Absolute statements will absolutely make you look foolish.

And BTW, are there 0 TSBs or any reported problems for your beloved GM? Show me a vehicle manufacturer that doesn't have TSBs? Fear mongering.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
No problem with me not fixing your leaf blower. My BIL who's car I used to work on just won the last huge championship race of the season. The jokes on you, because the car has a Ford engine in it. LMAO

Thanks for obliging. So, you got your claim to fame working on a race team because of family? The joke's on me? LMAO


You two have not shown any credible facts to support the making of your "expert" opinions, i.e. your personal credentials that make you an expert.

And your credentials are what? A Union Firefighter?

FishOnOne wrote:

marspec wrote:
I don't know if there's been any changes but I posted the following in February on another topic:

My son is the head Ford diesel tech at his dealership. Talked to him last night and asked about his experience with the 6.7. They have not had a single injection pump or turbo replacement. They have had a "few" EGR problems with service vehicles that had many hours of idle time. They did have an early one with a cam/valve problem. Ford replaced that engine with a new one and had it sent back for autopsy. Mine only has 12K towing a 16K fiver for over 10K but hasn't seen the inside of a dealership but for one oil change when I was on the road.

Since then I have just over 20K on my 6.7 with 17.5K of that towing with no problems.

In addition like I mentioned earlier my cousin is a long time Ford diesel tech starting in '93. The dealership he works at sells Ford, Chrysler, Jeep, RAM. He basically now works full time on RAM cummins trucks simply because the repair work in the Ford shop has dropped significantly since the 6.7 PSD has been introduced. In addition this dealer sells ~ 4 Power Strokes to 1 Cummins yet there's more techs working in the Chrysler shop.

His experience on warranty repairs between Ford and RAM is that he never had a problem with Ford denying warranty and their process is fairly simple, and with Chrysler there's more red tape he has to go thru to get approval. One thing common is both manufactures are frugal with the time they pay for a particular warranty repair.

Took economics and statistics in college. Did survey work as part of my schooling.

Now how is this connected with the topic at hand?

Because simply put, two dealerships out of the thousands that exist here in the US (and Canada to boot) is a completely irrelevant sample size.

In other words, it means absolutely nothing. Now if we were talking say 100, 200 dealers, it would mean a lot more.

Results in any poll or survey mean something when there are more participants in any said survey /poll.

I could name two more local area Ford dealers that have told me no fuel pump problems. But even with these 4 now, it is still way too small a sample size.

We go with my 3% trouble rate (or even Fish's claimed 1%) out of 400,000 vehicles a year sold, that is somewhere between 4,000 and 12,000 vehicles with the fuel pump problem.

That would mean there have been many dealerships handling these, so for any survey to be relevant, it would have to be a very large number.

dodge guy wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
I have only 112,000 km on my 2011 but it has been the best pick up I have ever owned so far. Shortly after buying the truck I misread the markings at a card lock and filled it up with gasoline. I never realized it till it started rattling. Pumped the fuel from my truck into my wife's car and another gasoline vehicle and have not had any issue arise from doing so. So the pump doesn't seem that fragile to me. Oh, I put DEF into my diesel tank as well without consequence. I use the truck to pull a 30,000 lb trailer and change engine oil every 25,000 km....one fuel filter change, one air filter and one set of tires in 4 years.

There is no way you put DEF into the diesel tank and left it in there and didn`t have any issues!

I'm still impressed that he's towing a 30,000# trailer with his SRW 350 truck....don't know how much his truck weighs, but I'll figure 8,000# ?(ballpark), that puts GCW at 38,000# (just a guess)..GCWR on my dually with 4:10 is only 37,500#, if I hooked up to a 30,000# trailer I'd be at 39,400# or so, almost a ton over my trucks GCWR....No way would I tow a 30,000# trailer from Asheville NC to Pence Springs WVa and feel safe doing it, especially on some of the secondary roads I have to run the last 45 miles of the trip. Heck, I should have bought a new 1/2 ton and put airbags on it..I'd been good to go:)