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Oct 28, 2013

GVW Issue

Last spring we bought a Kodiak 278RBSL (27' 6000 lb) TT. We have a 2013 Ford F150FX2 V6 EcoBoost. We have been towing all summer across all kinds of terrain with no real problems. We have driven in high wind, over 5,000ft mountain passes, etc.

As an avid reader of the forum, I have become aware of the weight issues that have been discussed. Without question, we are on the edge or over it when it comes to cargo capacity for the truck.

We don't have a lot of stuff in the TT. We removed the rather heavy couch and replaced it with two really light IKEA chairs. We don't carry water as a rule (I figure we normally have 10gal in the black tank and that much in the freshwater tank (at the most). We always have the grey empty when travelling. I figure that the maximum we have added to the dry weight of the trailer (which is accurate since Kodiak weighs each trailer after manufacture and puts a sticker on the outside with that weight) is under 1,000 lbs.

However, if I do the math, the loaded trailer weighs about 7,000 lbs. The calculated tongue weight would be between 840 and 1050 lbs. We have a weight distributing hitch.

The F150 has a 1,250 lb cargo maximum. If we figure that the trailer tongue is 1,000 lbs, that leaves only 250 lbs for truck cargo. My wife and I weigh more than that (considerably) not counting any other stuff in the truck. Usually we travel with the truck empty except for a cooler and some camera gear (total under 50 lbs.). Still, with a 1,000 tongue weight, we are probably close to 1,600 lbs; about 350 lbs over the max cargo weight. You don't need to count fuel. That is accounted for in the max cargo weight number.

We can't afford to trade a brand new truck or trailer in for a replacement. Optimally, I think an F250 would be fine.

So the question is more practical. If everything performs well; no springs bottom out, the trailer doesn't sway excessively, no loss of power on steep grades; how serious is this problem? Is a 350 lb overage on a 6,000 + lb truck something important enough to give up RV'ing for a year or more until we can afford a heavier truck?
  • All of your numbers are a estimated guess.
    1. go weigh the trucks front and rear axles separately.

    2. now load the truck and hook the trailer and weigh the trucks front and rear axles separately again and the trailer gross axle weight. Now you will know your exact numbers.

    looks like your F150 has a 3850 RAWR which is carrying the load. Just stay under those numbers. You already know the truck pulls/handles to your satisfaction so enjoy your rig.
  • brulaz wrote:
    Seattle Lion wrote:
    skipnchar wrote:
    Are you SURE about that 1,200 lb. payload number? I didn't think Ford made ANY model under 1500 lb. Is that from the door frame?


    I was surprised too. But that's what it says on the sticker.


    My 2011 FX2 4x2 SCab Eco has over 2000# payload. How did you get only 1200# ???


    Not getting the Max towing package or HD package can be very low, esp for crew cabs. I have seen crew cab Platinums with under 800 pounds!
  • Until you get everything weighed I would be concerned about several things.
    1st being your tires. With that low of a payload rating I would be checking my tires to see what the max load is at max psi.
    2nd, I would definitely get it weighed to find out if you're just close to your limit or over you limit by a lot.

    Have you looked at the door sticker on the TT? Brochure says 5997lbs dry with 791lb dry tongue weight. Only 1603 for the TT's CCC. I would be checking that too. If you load you're TT like the average user then you're near 7000lbs loaded. Since the dry TW is 791lbs, then after loading up propane, batteries, front cargo stuff and bedroom stuff then you could easily be near 900=1000lbs.

    With a low CCC of 1603lbs for the TT I would also be checking the tires on the TT as well. Looks like both the TT and the truck are near capacity IMO.

    You're situation is exactly why I upgraded to a 3/4 ton. After loading everything in my 10 F150 and hitching up a 31', 7300lb TT I was maxed out on the truck. If I didn't have a canopy and sliding bed tray in the F150 then all would be good. But as it was I was 50lbs under both the 7650lb GVW and the 4050lb RAWR.

    Like you I drove all over Oregon and NorCal for 2-1/2 yrs w/o issues. But I just wasn't comfortable knowing I was maxed out all the time.
  • Based on your personal experience of towing over all kinds of terrain, I'd say you are fine and shouldn't worry about it. You know you're at the limit but the truck apparently handles everything fine. Just pack carefully and leave the kitchen sink at home.
  • Seattle Lion wrote:
    skipnchar wrote:
    Are you SURE about that 1,200 lb. payload number? I didn't think Ford made ANY model under 1500 lb. Is that from the door frame?


    I was surprised too. But that's what it says on the sticker.


    My 2011 FX2 4x2 SCab Eco has over 2000# payload. How did you get only 1200# ???

    Just towed a new 7500# trailer with probably 950# tongue weight from BC to ON Canada with zero problems. Need to load it up and weigh it though.

    EDIT: But yes, weigh it and see how much you are over the GVWR. IT's the only way to be sure.
  • Remember, the CCC usually includes at least 150 lbs for the driver.

    And, if you are worried, carry everything in the tt. Anything you put in the truck counts 100% against the CCC. Anything you carry in the tt only counts 15% against the truck's CCC. (i.e. 100lbs. in the truck = 100lbs of CCC, 100lbs in the tt = @15lbs of truck CCC).
  • skipnchar wrote:
    Are you SURE about that 1,200 lb. payload number? I didn't think Ford made ANY model under 1500 lb. Is that from the door frame?


    I was surprised too. But that's what it says on the sticker.
  • I would take the truck to a scale, loaded and ready to camp, and see what your weights really are. You're doing a lot of guessing and there's no sense or worrying over guesses.
    The first part of your post where you state that the rig handles fine all over the country would tell me that I would continue to just enjoy towing as you have been. I would make certain that you aren't over tire weights. If you are I would upgrade tires when you need new ones anyway.
    Even if you were 350 pounds over, that's basically nothing. I wouldn't sweat it. I'm one of these "crazy" guys with a truck camper. I travel all over the country loaded about 2,000 pounds over my GVWR.
  • My 2003 F-150 was in a similar situation. I was 0-500 pounds over GVWR every trip. Never had the bed empty when camping. I was in a position to upgrade my TV if we thought it was unsafe or uncomfortable. The truck was that truck performed very well at and above it's ratings. It was rock solid at 75mph with my Reese Strait Line properly adjusted. We chose to replace the truck more due to wanting 3 rows of seats than a problem with that truck. I do miss my truck bed.

    Keep in mind some of the TW goes onto the TT axles using a WDH. If you have returned half the unloaded weight fro mthe front axle as Ford recommend for your truck, that means maybe only 90% of TW is on the truck's axles. So you might be closer to 800 pounds of TW against cargo which helps your situation a bit.

    Only you can determine how comfortable you are at/over any of the truck's ratings. A trip to a scale can assist with quantifying that. Otherwise, many people are towing in far worse situations than you. Carry one and happy camping!
  • Are you SURE about that 1,200 lb. payload number? I didn't think Ford made ANY model under 1500 lb. Is that from the door frame?