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Rook57
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Sep 26, 2018

Help deciding on a tow vehicle

Gents/Ladies,

I am somewhat new to all of this. Growing up, we pulled a travel trailer for vacations, hunting trips, and fishing trips. All of my experience stems from what my dad taught me, but I have never owned a travel trailer or fifth wheel. I have decided that in the not so distant future I will be purchasing a tow vehicle and a fifth wheel. This of course brings me to my question:

I live and work in the oil fields of west Texas. My tow vehicle will be my daily driver, and with that will be driven down caliche (rocky, rough) lease roads 15%, city 50%, highway 35%. What 3/4 ton diesel would you recommend purchasing? My major concern is the damage that can be done to the front ends on these crappy lease roads.

Thank you
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  • Rook57's avatar
    Rook57
    Explorer
    Sep 30, 2018
    JCK wrote:
    I think what OP was asking is what Mfg. front end will hold up best . Knowing Ford uses a straight axle and GM uses a independent not knowing what Ram uses


    Yes, most everyone runs fords here for oilfield, but I know fords corporate rates are better, gmc is the highest.
  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
    Navigator
    Sep 30, 2018
    JCK wrote:
    I think what OP was asking is what Mfg. front end will hold up best . Knowing Ford uses a straight axle and GM uses a independent not knowing what Ram uses


    Sounds like that was his major concern. Honestly, pick your favorite color. The front ends will hold up about the same. The IFS is no more prone to wearing out than the other 2 mfgs with solid axles.
  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
    Navigator
    Sep 30, 2018
    thomas201 wrote:
    Hello, from a retired Petroleum Engineer. I tell people to ask the opposite question. Do you need the 250/2500? I married a girl from New Jersey (long story) and due to parkways, neighborhood rules and hammer lane restrictions I need the badge on the side of the truck to be 250/2500. If you have this need, it can restrict your choice of trailer, otherwise get the one ton. Now, do you need the dually? By the way, a little weight in the back can help with the ride. I always carried 3 or 500 pounds of something, just to help the ride.


    Or get a Ford or GM 3/4 ton and have the same truck minus some extra rear leaf spring capacity.
  • JCK's avatar
    JCK
    Explorer
    Sep 30, 2018
    I think what OP was asking is what Mfg. front end will hold up best . Knowing Ford uses a straight axle and GM uses a independent not knowing what Ram uses
  • campigloo's avatar
    campigloo
    Explorer
    Sep 29, 2018
    One thing I rarely see mentioned on posts like this is tire pressure. I agree that if there is a remote
    chance of a bigger 5er get the 3500 series.
    I have a ram 2500 and when I’m just running around town I’m at @ 50 psi. It makes a world of difference in the ride.
  • RedRocket204's avatar
    RedRocket204
    Explorer
    Sep 29, 2018
    Kevinwa wrote:

    Why do we need to argue cost effectiveness of a diesel for pulling an RV? Nothing about driving is cost effective. To me the diesel is a comfort option in the truck, just as much as heated and cooled leather seats is a comfort option to some. Do I need it, no, do I want it when pulling a trailer in the mountains? Yes! I chose a diesel with cloth seats for less money then a gasser with leather. I have yet to see people argue cost effectiveness of nav,...


    Completely agree!

    If there were an OEM option for a forced induction gas one ton with good engine breaking, then diesel wouldn't necessarily be my first choice when towing at altitude. Do I have to have a forced induction diesel for my towing purposes? No, I could get by with naturally aspirated gas one ton but I shudder at the thought doing it every time I tow from my house. So the minor added maintenance costs of diesel for me are negligible.
  • Kevinwa's avatar
    Kevinwa
    Explorer
    Sep 29, 2018
    theoldwizard1 wrote:
    donn0128 wrote:
    It all depends on how much trailer you want.

    So true !

    If you are going with a small 5er, and F150 with a HD payload package and the new 3.0L diesel may be adequate (11,000 max tow).

    The other thing is, the additional initial cost and maintenance make owning a diesel much less cost effective these days. You need to put a lot of miles per year on a diesel, hauling large loads, for it to really be cost effective.

    Why do we need to argue cost effectiveness of a diesel for pulling an RV? Nothing about raving is cost effective. To me the diesel is a comfort option in the truck, just as much as heated and cooled leather seats is a comfort option to some. Do I need it, no, do I want it when pulling a trailer in the mountains? Yes! I chose a diesel with cloth seats for less money then a gasser with leather. I have yet to see people argue cost effectiveness of nav,...
    sorry, working night shifts so my post probably sounds grumpy, even though I am not.
  • Groover's avatar
    Groover
    Explorer II
    Sep 28, 2018
    Rook57 wrote:
    Anyone know why the new Duramax dually has a significantly lower towing capacity vs Ford and dodge (23000 vs 30000)? Not that I’ll be pulling that much but I am curious, I can’t find an answer on the web.


    There was quite a discussion on this a while back but I am convinced that the Allison transmission is maxed out on the ratings and is the weak link in the chain. The 1000 series that GM uses is rated for 30,000lbs GCWR. Is that conservative? Probably. But do you want to test that theory? I don't know why GM hasn't gone ahead and put in a higher rated Allison.

    Until GM comes out and makes a statement it is all speculation and they don't seem inclined to do that. So speculation is all we have to offer.
  • thomas201's avatar
    thomas201
    Explorer
    Sep 28, 2018
    Hello, from a retired Petroleum Engineer. I tell people to ask the opposite question. Do you need the 250/2500? I married a girl from New Jersey (long story) and due to parkways, neighborhood rules and hammer lane restrictions I need the badge on the side of the truck to be 250/2500. If you have this need, it can restrict your choice of trailer, otherwise get the one ton. Now, do you need the dually? By the way, a little weight in the back can help with the ride. I always carried 3 or 500 pounds of something, just to help the ride.
  • ib516's avatar
    ib516
    Explorer II
    Sep 27, 2018
    Gm just decided not to participate in the advertising for the highest tow rating wars. It means little. IIRC, when they all towed 23,000# up the Ike, the GM was fastest. I'll see if I can find the video and link it on edit. Found it

    GM took 10 min 16 sec
    Ram took 10 min 28 sec
    Ford took 10 min 31 sec
    to tow the 23,000# load up the grade.

    To answer your original question, I'd say go for a 2500 if you choose RAM. Being that it will be empty most times according to you, the Ram 2500s rear coil springs ride way better than the leafs the 3500 and the competition's 2500/250s use. I had one.

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I am somewhat new to all of this. Growing up, we pulled a travel trailer for vacations, hunting trips, and fishing trips. All of my experience stems from what my dad taught me, but I have never owned a travel trailer or fifth wheel. I have decided that in the not so distant future I will be purchasing a tow vehicle and a fifth wheel. This of course brings me to my question:

I live and work in the oil fields of west Texas. My tow vehicle will be my daily driver, and with that will be driven down caliche (rocky, rough) lease roads 15%, city 50%, highway 35%. What 3/4 ton diesel would you recommend purchasing? My major concern is the damage that can be done to the front ends on these crappy lease roads.

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I am somewhat new to all of this. Growing up, we pulled a travel trailer for vacations, hunting trips, and fishing trips. All of my experience stems from what my dad taught me, but I have never owned a travel trailer or fifth wheel. I have decided that in the not so distant future I will be purchasing a tow vehicle and a fifth wheel. This of course brings me to my question:

I live and work in the oil fields of west Texas. My tow vehicle will be my daily driver, and with that will be driven down caliche (rocky, rough) lease roads 15%, city 50%, highway 35%. What 3/4 ton diesel would you recommend purchasing? My major concern is the damage that can be done to the front ends on these crappy lease roads.

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JCK wrote:
I think what OP was asking is what Mfg. front end will hold up best . Knowing Ford uses a straight axle and GM uses a independent not knowing what Ram uses


Yes, most everyone runs fords here for oilfield, but I know fords corporate rates are better, gmc is the highest.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-30T08:08:34.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-30T08:08:34.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":490},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3000847/message:3000873","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000872":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3000872","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3000872":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:227630"},"id":"message:3000872","revisionNum":1,"uid":3000872,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3000847"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3000847"},"subject":"Re: Help deciding on a tow vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000872"},"body":"
JCK wrote:
I think what OP was asking is what Mfg. front end will hold up best . Knowing Ford uses a straight axle and GM uses a independent not knowing what Ram uses


Sounds like that was his major concern. Honestly, pick your favorite color. The front ends will hold up about the same. The IFS is no more prone to wearing out than the other 2 mfgs with solid axles.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-30T07:30:58.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-30T07:30:58.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":491},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3000847/message:3000872","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000871":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3000871","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3000871":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:227630"},"id":"message:3000871","revisionNum":1,"uid":3000871,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3000847"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3000847"},"subject":"Re: Help deciding on a tow vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000871"},"body":"
thomas201 wrote:
Hello, from a retired Petroleum Engineer. I tell people to ask the opposite question. Do you need the 250/2500? I married a girl from New Jersey (long story) and due to parkways, neighborhood rules and hammer lane restrictions I need the badge on the side of the truck to be 250/2500. If you have this need, it can restrict your choice of trailer, otherwise get the one ton. Now, do you need the dually? By the way, a little weight in the back can help with the ride. I always carried 3 or 500 pounds of something, just to help the ride.


Or get a Ford or GM 3/4 ton and have the same truck minus some extra rear leaf spring capacity.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-30T07:28:41.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-30T07:28:41.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":490},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3000847/message:3000871","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:305012":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:305012","uid":305012,"login":"JCK","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-04-20T17:04:43.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:305012"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000870":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3000870","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3000870":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:305012"},"id":"message:3000870","revisionNum":1,"uid":3000870,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3000847"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3000847"},"subject":"Re: Help deciding on a tow vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000870"},"body":"I think what OP was asking is what Mfg. front end will hold up best . Knowing Ford uses a straight axle and GM uses a independent not knowing what Ram uses","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"156","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-29T17:34:51.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-29T17:34:51.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":490},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3000847/message:3000870","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:261322":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:261322","uid":261322,"login":"campigloo","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-06-27T10:00:19.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:261322"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000869":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3000869","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3000869":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:261322"},"id":"message:3000869","revisionNum":1,"uid":3000869,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3000847"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3000847"},"subject":"Re: Help deciding on a tow vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000869"},"body":"One thing I rarely see mentioned on posts like this is tire pressure. I agree that if there is a remote
chance of a bigger 5er get the 3500 series.
I have a ram 2500 and when I’m just running around town I’m at @ 50 psi. It makes a world of difference in the ride.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-29T13:40:22.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-29T13:40:22.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":490},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3000847/message:3000869","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:285":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:285","uid":285,"login":"RedRocket204","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-05-22T08:20:29.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:285"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000868":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3000868","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3000868":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:285"},"id":"message:3000868","revisionNum":1,"uid":3000868,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3000847"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3000847"},"subject":"Re: Help deciding on a tow vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000868"},"body":"
Kevinwa wrote:

Why do we need to argue cost effectiveness of a diesel for pulling an RV? Nothing about driving is cost effective. To me the diesel is a comfort option in the truck, just as much as heated and cooled leather seats is a comfort option to some. Do I need it, no, do I want it when pulling a trailer in the mountains? Yes! I chose a diesel with cloth seats for less money then a gasser with leather. I have yet to see people argue cost effectiveness of nav,...


Completely agree!

If there were an OEM option for a forced induction gas one ton with good engine breaking, then diesel wouldn't necessarily be my first choice when towing at altitude. Do I have to have a forced induction diesel for my towing purposes? No, I could get by with naturally aspirated gas one ton but I shudder at the thought doing it every time I tow from my house. So the minor added maintenance costs of diesel for me are negligible.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-29T06:33:18.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-29T06:33:18.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":490},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3000847/message:3000868","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:265215":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:265215","uid":265215,"login":"Kevinwa","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-05-03T10:36:58.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:265215"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000867":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3000867","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3000867":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:265215"},"id":"message:3000867","revisionNum":1,"uid":3000867,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3000847"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3000847"},"subject":"Re: Help deciding on a tow vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3000867"},"body":"
theoldwizard1 wrote:
donn0128 wrote:
It all depends on how much trailer you want.

So true !

If you are going with a small 5er, and F150 with a HD payload package and the new 3.0L diesel may be adequate (11,000 max tow).

The other thing is, the additional initial cost and maintenance make owning a diesel much less cost effective these days. You need to put a lot of miles per year on a diesel, hauling large loads, for it to really be cost effective.

Why do we need to argue cost effectiveness of a diesel for pulling an RV? Nothing about raving is cost effective. To me the diesel is a comfort option in the truck, just as much as heated and cooled leather seats is a comfort option to some. Do I need it, no, do I want it when pulling a trailer in the mountains? Yes! I chose a diesel with cloth seats for less money then a gasser with leather. I have yet to see people argue cost effectiveness of nav,...
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Rook57 wrote:
Anyone know why the new Duramax dually has a significantly lower towing capacity vs Ford and dodge (23000 vs 30000)? Not that I’ll be pulling that much but I am curious, I can’t find an answer on the web.


There was quite a discussion on this a while back but I am convinced that the Allison transmission is maxed out on the ratings and is the weak link in the chain. The 1000 series that GM uses is rated for 30,000lbs GCWR. Is that conservative? Probably. But do you want to test that theory? I don't know why GM hasn't gone ahead and put in a higher rated Allison.

Until GM comes out and makes a statement it is all speculation and they don't seem inclined to do that. 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I tell people to ask the opposite question. Do you need the 250/2500? I married a girl from New Jersey (long story) and due to parkways, neighborhood rules and hammer lane restrictions I need the badge on the side of the truck to be 250/2500. If you have this need, it can restrict your choice of trailer, otherwise get the one ton. Now, do you need the dually? By the way, a little weight in the back can help with the ride. 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It means little. IIRC, when they all towed 23,000# up the Ike, the GM was fastest. I'll see if I can find the video and link it on edit. Found it

GM took 10 min 16 sec
Ram took 10 min 28 sec
Ford took 10 min 31 sec
to tow the 23,000# load up the grade.

To answer your original question, I'd say go for a 2500 if you choose RAM. Being that it will be empty most times according to you, the Ram 2500s rear coil springs ride way better than the leafs the 3500 and the competition's 2500/250s use. 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