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bigburg
Explorer
Dec 12, 2014

Love My 6.0L Ford

I know i am among the minority of 6.0L who is willing to be vocal about being happy with there truck. Which I guess is normal considering people who are happy are content and need not say much while those who are angry simply must express there emotion and experience.
My truck is a 2005 Lariat Crew Cab 4x4 SWB with 199,805 miles. She has been rock solid and looks and runs like new. Have replaced one FICM and one EGR valve plus regular wear items like brake pads.
I drive her off road she pulls hauls and generally earns her keep. Overall I love my truck.
I know many have had issues with the 6.0L but my story is one of success which I though I would share as I am close to 200K miles know.
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  • jerem0621's avatar
    jerem0621
    Explorer II
    Dec 13, 2014
    Lantley wrote:
    jerem0621 wrote:


    Will I own a 6.0? Maybe one day if my needs require a diesel. Right now I could buy a really nice 06 F350 SuperDuty Crew Cab Long Bed dually 4x4 in King Ranch with about 100k miles for $22,000.00 asking price. I would do the following to this truck immediately.

    *BPD EGR Cooler
    *BPD Oil Cooler Kit... (replaces the engine oil cooler with an air to oil cooler and sends coolant straight to the EGR cooler)
    *Coolant filter

    And thats at a minimum.

    Thanks!

    Jeremiah


    Or you could by another brand truck of the same era and avoid the expense and hassle of bullet proofing the truck....I did


    This is true... but the Duramax trucks that I can afford had a flaw.. while it wasn't blowing Head Gaskets the injectors are still a 3-5k ordeal. I can't consider the early Rams, even the 4 doors because they are not true crew cabs. Comparing the Superduty crew cab to the GM crew cab shows a slight difference. The Ford has more room in it in the back seat. I have adult size children and need the most room possible for them in the back. Until about 2006 ish (whenever the Mega Cab came out). I'm not brand bashing... just pointing out that motors only play a point in vehicle selection. Hmmm.. wonder what Megacabs are selling for now...

    Thanks, and great conversation!

    Jeremiah
  • ksss's avatar
    ksss
    Explorer
    Dec 13, 2014
    At a time when many on here bash GM for their ignition switch issues (which is deserved) it is interesting that when the wind blows the skirt up at FORD over the 6.0 issue, it is not very pretty either (save it, I know no one has died over a 6.0L engine issue). Deleting emails to save themselves from lawsuits, and masking repair issues to get the engine past the warranty period so the costs were transferred to the customer is not very ethical either.

    T-he 6.4 had fewer issues after its initial 1.5 years in service than the 6.0 had in its "most problems have been resolved" years of 06-07. It is interesting because the 6.4 is not known for having a stellar reliability record either.

    I think it is also interesting that the according to Navistar, the 06-07 models while better than previous models from a repair standpoint, still had far to many issues. Kind of kills the chorus here that says the later versions solved the problems that plagued the issues of the early versions. Ford clearly was not willing/able to solve any of the root design issues through out the production life of the 6.0L. Only the aftermarket was willing to do that, with some degree of success.

    It is evident that the engine was flawed. If you were one of the original 6.0 purchasers I can understand MAYBE why getting it "bulletproofed" could make sense. However why people keep posting on here "I can get a great deal on a 6.0, should I buy It?" escapes me. Than you get the 6.0 owners that have not seen the issues typically displayed by the 6.0, chime in how it is the haters that bring the reputation of the 6.0 down. Ford and Navistar themselves in their own words, through emails that did not get deleted, can be shown here telling the truth about their own product and it is ugly. Why some of Ford's own customers refuse to acknowledge what Ford/Navistar themselves clearly admit, shows that brand loyalty can become much more powerful than the product itself.

    That brand loyalty has served Ford very well. Given that Ford still commands the sales lead in diesel pickups, many of the current 6.7 owners were 6.0 and 6.4 owners, the majority I would say (given what we know about the reliability record of the 6.0 and 6.4) had been kicked in the junk by Ford in the past, yet are able to see past that to own another. Even after knowing or suspecting that Ford was transferring costs of repair from Ford to themselves. Powerful mojo.
  • Lantley's avatar
    Lantley
    Nomad
    Dec 13, 2014
    jerem0621 wrote:


    Will I own a 6.0? Maybe one day if my needs require a diesel. Right now I could buy a really nice 06 F350 SuperDuty Crew Cab Long Bed dually 4x4 in King Ranch with about 100k miles for $22,000.00 asking price. I would do the following to this truck immediately.

    *BPD EGR Cooler
    *BPD Oil Cooler Kit... (replaces the engine oil cooler with an air to oil cooler and sends coolant straight to the EGR cooler)
    *Coolant filter

    And thats at a minimum.

    Thanks!

    Jeremiah


    Or you could by another brand truck of the same era and avoid the expense and hassle of bullet proofing the truck....I did
  • Turtle_n_Peeps's avatar
    Turtle_n_Peeps
    Explorer
    Dec 13, 2014
    Ford wrote:
    The 6.0L has the largest R/1000 (repairs per thousand) rate ever experienced by Ford for an engine in widespread production.


    Ford has been building and installing engines in vehicles since 1908 (in house or contract) and this engine, (according to Bob Fascetti of Ford) had “the largest R/1000 rate EVER experienced by Ford for an engine in widespread production.”

    Out of the dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of engine types ever produced by Ford or by a Ford Contractor, his was THE WORST engine, EVER. (According to Bob Fascetti, director of V-engine and diesel engineering for Ford.)

    Chris Bolen, Ford's director of North American Powertrain Manufacturing wrote:
    “In my 32 years at Ford I have not experienced such (negative) feedback regarding one of our products.”


    This guy had worked for Ford for 32 years (almost a 1/3 of Fords History) and he said “this was the worst negative feedback EVER regarding one of Fords products.” (I guess it even beat out the Edsel) LOL


    “Ford” make it pretty clear, but for those that still don't get it, I will paraphrase it for you: "Ford" said this was a POS engine. Great or even mediocre engines don't cost a thousand dollars in warranty work for every single engine made (mathematically) like this engine did.
  • idaho_camper's avatar
    idaho_camper
    Explorer
    Dec 13, 2014
    Turtle: any chance you could provide a direct link to that quote from Ford Engr Director?
  • Hannibal's avatar
    Hannibal
    Explorer
    Dec 13, 2014
    Tick tick tick tick tick but, on the other hand, it sounds like the opportunity to buy a nice truck for a very low price. Wishing you guys that own them many miles and years of good service with them.
  • W4RLR's avatar
    W4RLR
    Explorer
    Dec 13, 2014
    Yes, I know it is not a Ford engine. The Navistar decal on the valve cover is one dead giveaway. The fact that they built some of those engines not 70 miles from my house (Navistar Huntsville) is another.
    But in spite of your so called semantics lesson, Bob Faschetti did NOT use the term "POS". He stated that Ford had a much greater warranty exposure with the early 6.0 engines. YOU said that he said the engine was a "POS".

    You say it was paraphrasing. I say it was putting words in someone's mouth. And as a former journalist, I know the difference.
  • Turtle_n_Peeps's avatar
    Turtle_n_Peeps
    Explorer
    Dec 13, 2014
    W4RLR wrote:
    Turtle n Peeps wrote:
    I love my 5.7L diesel. It's never broke down on me.

    But just because I own one and it's never broke down on me doesn't make it a great engine. It's a POS and anybody that knows even the slightest bit about engines or has worked on diesels for even a day knows it's a POS.

    Ford admitted in court the 6.0L was a POS when them and Nav went at it. That's all I need to know about them.

    Like I said. Even most 5.7's drove great. But they still are a POS. :)
    Ford admitted in open court proceedings that the 6.0 was a "POS". I'd love to see the transcripts that say that exact phrase....I was wondering when I would find your post, you don't seem to miss an opportunity to whiz on a Ford owner's Cheerios.

    The man is happy with his truck. I'm happy for him. And for a truck that is supposedly the biggest turd that came out of Kentucky Truck Plant, there sure are a LOT of them on the road. By your estimation, the roadsides should be littered with the carcasses of Super Duty trucks with 6.0 engines. Don't see it.


    par·a·phrase
    /?per??fr?z/

    verb: paraphrase; 3rd person present: paraphrases; past tense: paraphrased; past participle: paraphrased; gerund or present participle: paraphrasing

    1. express the meaning of (the writer or speaker or something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

    Now that you know the meaning of paraphrase, let me show you the exact quote from a Ford diesel engineer. I would hope he knows a lot more than both you and I? Or do you think you know more then him or Ford?

    Bob Fascetti, Ford’s Director of Diesel Engineering wrote:
    Attested to the following: Ford has experienced unprecedented repair rates with the 6.0L engines. The 6.0L has had the largest R/1000 (repairs per thousand) rate ever experienced by Ford for an engine in widespread production. In fact, the 6.0L which represents only 10% of Ford’s total engine volume, accounts for approximately 80% of all Ford’s warranty spending on engines. Additionally, warranty spending on the 6.0L accounts for approximately 25% of Ford’s overall warranty spending.”


    Now that we know that fact, let me put it another way:

    "According to Ford's Director of Diesel Engineering, Bob Fascetti; the 6.0L was the biggest POS ever put in one of their vehicles."

    By your way of thinking there should be roadsides littered with the carcasses of GM's with 5.7L diesel engines. Don't see it.

    See the fallacy of the way you think? Or do you want me to hammer on you some more with "Ford" quotes?

    Like I said last time, I just call it as it is. I'm not making these remarks about the 6.0, Ford did. Does it make you mad or do you disagree with them? Go take it up with Ford because they are the ones that said it; I just quote them.

    You do know this is not a Ford engine don't you?
  • jerem0621's avatar
    jerem0621
    Explorer II
    Dec 13, 2014
    I believe that the 6.0 is going to be around for a long time. 7.3 Superduties are commanding a premium with 150-200k miles on them and the 6.0's are dropping in price.

    Admittedly, Ford should have done what Navistar did and mandate coolant filters.

    Will I own a 6.0? Maybe one day if my needs require a diesel. Right now I could buy a really nice 06 F350 SuperDuty Crew Cab Long Bed dually 4x4 in King Ranch with about 100k miles for $22,000.00 asking price. I would do the following to this truck immediately.

    *BPD EGR Cooler
    *BPD Oil Cooler Kit... (replaces the engine oil cooler with an air to oil cooler and sends coolant straight to the EGR cooler)
    *Coolant filter

    And thats at a minimum.

    Thanks!

    Jeremiah

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