Max Tow F150s

Huntindog wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
It is simple. A 250 will generally have much better durability ratings than a 150...

Really? I don't believe you. I think you're continuing to blow smoke (BS). Show me the durability rating for each.

Whether you believe me or not isn't material.
I am not buying a 1/2 ton truck, as I already know what those specs will show... Since I am not in the market now, I won't waste my time looking it up for you. You wouldn't believe it anyway.

I will touch on what these ratings mean though.
Duty cycle refers to what percentage of the time a unit can be stressed to it's max.

The half life rating (it actually has a spec with some letters and numbers that escapes me at the moment) is a mileage at which half of the trucks will have needed a major overhaul, and half would go further. Many variables on this, but it is a good indicator of comparing X to Y for durability.

Maury82 wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
It is simple. A 250 will generally have much better durability ratings than a 150...

Really? I don't believe you. I think you're continuing to blow smoke (BS). Show me the durability rating for each.

I think one of the duty cycle issues already mentioned was Ford has no plans to put the Ego boost into the Super Duties because there are duty cycle concerns..
If you are towing within the ratings of your F-150 occasionally, I don't think there will be any duty cycle issues.
If you tow with your F-150 at your max. payload daily, duty cylce issues may occur.
I don't think duty cycle is a major factor to be concerned with, but it is a real phenomenon

I can smoke a whole Buffalo with all that smoke you are blowing...lol

I can't believe you are pushing that on vulnerable and clueless newbies under the name of an experienced member.

Towing within the F-150 capacity on occasion is ok?...lol

Just for laughs, how would towing near the max ratings of the 3/4 and 1 ton affect duty cycles?

And for an additional laughter, how can you explain the reliability of the Tundra and Tacoma?... they are reliable because the owners don't tow much?

Really depends on what your towing and where you are towing. There are plenty of 1/2 ton owners that have tried there 1/2 tons and eventually upgraded to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.
By the same token there are one ton guys that have upgraded to duallys.
The torque provided by the ego boost is a wonderful thing, but at some point there is no substitute for mass.
If you look back in this thread some guys said they chose the ego boost package because 85% of their miles are non towing. For them I imagine the F-150 to be viable. Now had they said 85% of the miles were towing than a 3/4 or 1 ton would be a better choice.
Your bringing up the reliability of a Tacoma as a tow vehicle:h
A tacoma is a decent vehicle, but it's not much of a tow vehicle.
Tundra's are decent within their ratings but generally they are payload deficient when it comes to towing RV trailers.
Ford took the bull by the horns with their max tow, max payload package and built a 1/2 ton truck with real capability, which is why this thread exist.
Tundra and the other 1/2 tons are sitting on the sideline wondering how to compete with the payload of the EGO boost Ford.

This is an RV towing forum. The best advice I can give is to buy your last truck first. Don't play the upgrade game.
Once upon a time I towed a 11K GVW TT with a Ford Excursion. When it came time to upgrade I went straight for the dually. Not necessarily because I needed it then. But because I knew I would need it in the future.
For me the 1/2 ton truck is a temporary measure. I think anyone towing a 8K loaded or greater trailer would be better served with a 3/4 ton truck or larger. Simply because the larger truck allows one room to grow when it comes time to upgrade you won't need both a new truck and trailer.
The ironic thing in all this is it's not about money.
The difference in $$$ between a new 1/2 ton ego boost max payload, max tow and a late model dually diesel is not that great.
It's more about seeing the whole picture and gazing into the future a bit. vs. locking in and focusing on one truck and one trailer.
That is likely to change before you know it.
I know everyone is content with the rig they have and there is no need to worry or look to the future.
All 5th wheel owners said that at one time.
For those truly bit with the RV bug upgrading is inevitable. I'd be curious to know how many bought a 5'er as there 1st towable RV vs. upgrading?
If you are an OCCASIONAL tow'er that tows on generally flat ground to the beach or the local state park 6-7 times a year a 1/2 ton is fine and will meet your needs.
If you want to tow without limits, beaches, mountains, local parks, long distance destination parks and everything in between.The sooner you get a 1 ton truck the better off you'll be.

Are you serious to think that there aren't RVers who don't want a huge truck?THe issue is the RV'er wants a large trailer but doesn't want the large truck to go with ity.

Your perspectives are very one dementional, and no, I would not be happy with a 1 ton dually diesel Limited. What would I do with that thing when the truck I have should fit the bill.
[COLOR=]My comments are based on experience. A larger truck will fit the bill for a larger trailer.vs. a smaller truck should fit the bill

A One Ton is like using a commercial grade zero radius mower to mow the front yard of your small townhouse. It will do it, but you don't need it...too cumbersome.

The F150 HDPP is a unique tow vehicle thatfor some owners, has both unique combination of towing capabilities to meet our towing needs, and for me, an occasional road trip vehicle.

This F150 is a big compromise to drive, and once I break this thing in, it stays park with the trailer. I can't see myself driving that ungainly thing unless I really need it for towing or for some unique reason. I'm struggling trying put 1,000 miles on it, and I can't wait to finish up so I can get back to driving my car.

A 1 ton is a great tow vehicle, but that's it, and outside of towing, it would be useless, and just a hindrance to drive, and it gets parked with the RV.

Tell us how you tore up your newer HDPP F150 towing more than "occasionally".

If you can't tell us how your F150 HDPP held up, you are still blowing smoke up our behind again.
Correct but I can tell you how my 3/4 ton truck held up. I can tell you how an exhaust brake performs when descending a large hill towing a 10,5000# loaded trailer. The Ego boost has the engine to do the job unfortunately experience not brochures has taught me there is more to it than just the engine.

Only people who are towing with newer F150 HDPP can speak about how it tows, how it held up, it's duty cycle, reliability, etc...everyone else is blowing smoke.
Experienced smoke.Tow 10K down a 6% with and without an exhaust brake and let me know which you prefer.

Just because a person is a newbie up here, that doesn't mean they were born when we joined.

Maury82 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
It is simple. A 250 will generally have much better durability ratings than a 150...

Really? I don't believe you. I think you're continuing to blow smoke (BS). Show me the durability rating for each.

I think one of the duty cycle issues already mentioned was Ford has no plans to put the Ego boost into the Super Duties because there are duty cycle concerns..
If you are towing within the ratings of your F-150 occasionally, I don't think there will be any duty cycle issues.
If you tow with your F-150 at your max. payload daily, duty cylce issues may occur.
I don't think duty cycle is a major factor to be concerned with, but it is a real phenomenon

I can smoke a whole Buffalo with all that smoke you are blowing...lol

I can't believe you are pushing that on vulnerable and clueless newbies under the name of an experienced member.

Towing within the F-150 capacity on occasion is ok?...lol

Just for laughs, how would towing near the max ratings of the 3/4 and 1 ton affect duty cycles?

And for an additional laughter, how can you explain the reliability of the Tundra and Tacoma?... they are reliable because the owners don't tow much?

Really depends on what your towing and where you are towing. There are plenty of 1/2 ton owners that have tried there 1/2 tons and eventually upgraded to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.
By the same token there are one ton guys that have upgraded to duallys.
The torque provided by the ego boost is a wonderful thing, but at some point there is no substitute for mass.
If you look back in this thread some guys said they chose the ego boost package because 85% of their miles are non towing. For them I imagine the F-150 to be viable. Now had they said 85% of the miles were towing than a 3/4 or 1 ton would be a better choice.
Your bringing up the reliability of a Tacoma as a tow vehicle:h
A tacoma is a decent vehicle, but it's not much of a tow vehicle.
Tundra's are decent within their ratings but generally they are payload deficient when it comes to towing RV trailers.
Ford took the bull by the horns with their max tow, max payload package and built a 1/2 ton truck with real capability, which is why this thread exist.
Tundra and the other 1/2 tons are sitting on the sideline wondering how to compete with the payload of the EGO boost Ford.

This is an RV towing forum. The best advice I can give is to buy your last truck first. Don't play the upgrade game.
Once upon a time I towed a 11K GVW TT with a Ford Excursion. When it came time to upgrade I went straight for the dually. Not necessarily because I needed it then. But because I knew I would need it in the future.
For me the 1/2 ton truck is a temporary measure. I think anyone towing a 8K loaded or greater trailer would be better served with a 3/4 ton truck or larger. Simply because the larger truck allows one room to grow when it comes time to upgrade you won't need both a new truck and trailer.
The ironic thing in all this is it's not about money.
The difference in $$$ between a new 1/2 ton ego boost max payload, max tow and a late model dually diesel is not that great.
It's more about seeing the whole picture and gazing into the future a bit. vs. locking in and focusing on one truck and one trailer.
That is likely to change before you know it.
I know everyone is content with the rig they have and there is no need to worry or look to the future.
All 5th wheel owners said that at one time.
For those truly bit with the RV bug upgrading is inevitable. I'd be curious to know how many bought a 5'er as there 1st towable RV vs. upgrading?
If you are an OCCASIONAL tow'er that tows on generally flat ground to the beach or the local state park 6-7 times a year a 1/2 ton is fine and will meet your needs.
If you want to tow without limits, beaches, mountains, local parks, long distance destination parks and everything in between.The sooner you get a 1 ton truck the better off you'll be.

Are you serious to think that there aren't RVers who don't want a huge truck?

Your perspectives are very one dementional, and no, I would not be happy with a 1 ton dually diesel Limited. What would I do with that thing when the truck I have should fit the bill.

A One Ton is like using a commercial grade zero radius mower to mow the front yard of your small townhouse. It will do it, but you don't need it...too cumbersome.

The F150 HDPP is a unique tow vehicle thatfor some owners, has both unique combination of towing capabilities to meet our towing needs, and for me, an occasional road trip vehicle.

This F150 is a big compromise to drive, and once I break this thing in, it stays park with the trailer. I can't see myself driving that ungainly thing unless I really need it for towing or for some unique reason. I'm struggling trying put 1,000 miles on it, and I can't wait to finish up so I can get back to driving my car.

A 1 ton is a great tow vehicle, but that's it, and outside of towing, it would be useless, and just a hindrance to drive, and it gets parked with the RV.

Tell us how you tore up your newer HDPP F150 towing more than "occasionally".

If you can't tell us how your F150 HDPP held up, you are still blowing smoke up our behind again.

Only people who are towing with newer F150 HDPP can speak about how it tows, how it held up, it's duty cycle, reliability, etc...everyone else is blowing smoke.

Just because a person is a newbie up here, that doesn't mean they were born when we joined.

Lantley wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
It is simple. A 250 will generally have much better durability ratings than a 150...

Really? I don't believe you. I think you're continuing to blow smoke (BS). Show me the durability rating for each.

I think one of the duty cycle issues already mentioned was Ford has no plans to put the Ego boost into the Super Duties because there are duty cycle concerns..
If you are towing within the ratings of your F-150 occasionally, I don't think there will be any duty cycle issues.
If you tow with your F-150 at your max. payload daily, duty cylce issues may occur.
I don't think duty cycle is a major factor to be concerned with, but it is a real phenomenon

I can smoke a whole Buffalo with all that smoke you are blowing...lol

I can't believe you are pushing that on vulnerable and clueless newbies under the name of an experienced member.

Towing within the F-150 capacity on occasion is ok?...lol

Just for laughs, how would towing near the max ratings of the 3/4 and 1 ton affect duty cycles?

And for an additional laughter, how can you explain the reliability of the Tundra and Tacoma?... they are reliable because the owners don't tow much?

Really depends on what your towing and where you are towing. There are plenty of 1/2 ton owners that have tried there 1/2 tons and eventually upgraded to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.
By the same token there are one ton guys that have upgraded to duallys.
The torque provided by the ego boost is a wonderful thing, but at some point there is no substitute for mass.
If you look back in this thread some guys said they chose the ego boost package because 85% of their miles are non towing. For them I imagine the F-150 to be viable. Now had they said 85% of the miles were towing than a 3/4 or 1 ton would be a better choice.
Your bringing up the reliability of a Tacoma as a tow vehicle:h
A tacoma is a decent vehicle, but it's not much of a tow vehicle.
Tundra's are decent within their ratings but generally they are payload deficient when it comes to towing RV trailers.
Ford took the bull by the horns with their max tow, max payload package and built a 1/2 ton truck with real capability, which is why this thread exist.
Tundra and the other 1/2 tons are sitting on the sideline wondering how to compete with the payload of the EGO boost Ford.

This is an RV towing forum. The best advice I can give is to buy your last truck first. Don't play the upgrade game.
Once upon a time I towed a 11K GVW TT with a Ford Excursion. When it came time to upgrade I went straight for the dually. Not necessarily because I needed it then. But because I knew I would need it in the future.
For me the 1/2 ton truck is a temporary measure. I think anyone towing a 8K loaded or greater trailer would be better served with a 3/4 ton truck or larger. Simply because the larger truck allows one room to grow when it comes time to upgrade you won't need both a new truck and trailer.
The ironic thing in all this is it's not about money.
The difference in $$$ between a new 1/2 ton ego boost max payload, max tow and a late model dually diesel is not that great.
It's more about seeing the whole picture and gazing into the future a bit. vs. locking in and focusing on one truck and one trailer.
That is likely to change before you know it.
I know everyone is content with the rig they have and there is no need to worry or look to the future.
All 5th wheel owners said that at one time.
For those truly bit with the RV bug upgrading is inevitable. I'd be curious to know how many bought a 5'er as there 1st towable RV vs. upgrading?
If you are an OCCASIONAL tow'er that tows on generally flat ground to the beach or the local state park 6-7 times a year a 1/2 ton is fine and will meet your needs.
If you want to tow without limits, beaches, mountains, local parks, long distance destination parks and everything in between.The sooner you get a 1 ton truck the better off you'll be.

Lantley wrote:

Acdii wrote:
First thing to know is what Ford means by Max Tow. It does NOT, repeat, NOT give the truck it's maximum towing capability, but in fact reduces payload. The Max Tow is actually a package with the maximum amount of tow equipment in one package. HD hitch, which on most trucks exceeds the payload, upgraded sway bars, springs, ITBC and 36 gallon tank.

When ordering an HDPP with the 3.5 the Max Tow is required, and why it is listed. HDPP is available up to a lariat 500a and limits the options available, otherwise it would put the truck in the 3/4 ton range, which it clearly is not.

When reading the tow guide, read the fine print. It specifically points out the actual trim and equipment required to obtain maximum towing, and that is an XL minimum options, screw, 3.5 EB with Max tow. I think it may even be a RWD truck. Max Payload is an HDPP with the 5.0, also in the low trim line.

No matter how you look at it, payload is your limiting factor for what to tow. While an F250 Diesel has a lower payload than an HDPP F150, as others pointed out, it has more mass, and more longevity for towing. If you are going to tow to the limits of an HDPP, which BTW is designed for loads in bed and not loads on the ball, which makes it ideal for a light 5th wheel, you will be better off with an F250 rather than an F150 as it will be a more stable platform, and better suited for hard work.

If you are buying the truck for RV towing I recommend a F350 vs. an F250 simply for the additional payload. THe price difference between the trucks is negligible.

Acdii wrote:
First thing to know is what Ford means by Max Tow. It does NOT, repeat, NOT give the truck it's maximum towing capability, but in fact reduces payload. The Max Tow is actually a package with the maximum amount of tow equipment in one package. HD hitch, which on most trucks exceeds the payload, upgraded sway bars, springs, ITBC and 36 gallon tank.

When ordering an HDPP with the 3.5 the Max Tow is required, and why it is listed. HDPP is available up to a lariat 500a and limits the options available, otherwise it would put the truck in the 3/4 ton range, which it clearly is not.

When reading the tow guide, read the fine print. It specifically points out the actual trim and equipment required to obtain maximum towing, and that is an XL minimum options, screw, 3.5 EB with Max tow. I think it may even be a RWD truck. Max Payload is an HDPP with the 5.0, also in the low trim line.

No matter how you look at it, payload is your limiting factor for what to tow. While an F250 Diesel has a lower payload than an HDPP F150, as others pointed out, it has more mass, and more longevity for towing. If you are going to tow to the limits of an HDPP, which BTW is designed for loads in bed and not loads on the ball, which makes it ideal for a light 5th wheel, you will be better off with an F250 rather than an F150 as it will be a more stable platform, and better suited for hard work.

Maury82 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
It is simple. A 250 will generally have much better durability ratings than a 150...

Really? I don't believe you. I think you're continuing to blow smoke (BS). Show me the durability rating for each.

I think one of the duty cycle issues already mentioned was Ford has no plans to put the Ego boost into the Super Duties because there are duty cycle concerns..
If you are towing within the ratings of your F-150 occasionally, I don't think there will be any duty cycle issues.
If you tow with your F-150 at your max. payload daily, duty cylce issues may occur.
I don't think duty cycle is a major factor to be concerned with, but it is a real phenomenon

I can smoke a whole Buffalo with all that smoke you are blowing...lol

I can't believe you are pushing that on vulnerable and clueless newbies under the name of an experienced member.

Towing within the F-150 capacity on occasion is ok?...lol

Just for laughs, how would towing near the max ratings of the 3/4 and 1 ton affect duty cycles?

And for an additional laughter, how can you explain the reliability of the Tundra and Tacoma?... they are reliable because the owners don't tow much?

nickthehunter wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
It is simple. A 250 will generally have much better durability ratings than a 150...

Really? I don't believe you. I think you're continuing to blow smoke (BS). Show me the durability rating for each.