Max Towing Wars - Ford vs Ram

"Sincerely,
The No Spin Zone"

Really???????

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

SLE wrote:
Alright, lets get a few things straight. First off, the Ram 3500 and the Ford F450 for all intensive purposes are the same class truck, both carry a 14,000 lb GVWRs and both are rated to tow more than 30k lbs. I don't care how they are badged so long as they have similar GVWR and Tow Ratings. Jumping up to a 4500 Ram is going to yield worse results as the engines are derated in that series and it's likely a heavier truck which will handicap it even more. They are using the best configured Ram available which offers very similar ratings to the Ford.

Seconding, even if Ford uses an F350, the powertrain is the same right down to the rear end ratio, the differences are in frame, suspension components, tires, and maybe brakes (I don't know on that one). The race to the top of the hill wouldn't change. The handling and stopping might however I expect the exhaust brake and programming is the same between them.

Next, why is everyone always so hung up on the rear gear ratio. This is simply one component. Nobody mentions tire size, transmission ratios, torque converters, etc. The rear end ratio is only one part of the equation. At the end of the day, the deepest rear end available in Ram's Max Tow configuration is a 4.10 and for ford is a 4.30. Each manufacturer has determined these rear end ratios are what is needed to meet the subsequent rating for each truck. It comes down to a comparison of the two most capable trucks available in stock configuration.

Lastly, the last time this same test was ran (by the so called "ford advertising site"), the Dodge prevailed, Kudos to them for such a good package. Since that time the Ford has seen some changes and this should highlight how well those changes have been implemented and if they truly make a difference. It's obvious that Ford took that last test very seriously, looked at there truck, and made it a point to make some improvements. You can only hope the other manufacturers will do the same.

Well said... Forget the plastic label badge on these trucks.

Ohhhhh...OK so as long as the test works in your Kool-aid then it's a valid test right guys? But when your flavor has to resort to trickery and flat out lies then it's no longer a valid test, but spin away. As lawnspecialties said stop the HP/TQ wars and build a diesel truck that can get some real mileage again, you know like my 2004 tractor as it was called by a member that's no longer here. LOL

Don

Don,
You can spin the story and the excuses all you want. We all seen a F350 dust a RAM 3500 in two uphill races while towing so it doesn't really matter.

Not sure what trickery or lies you speak but I think I must call you out.... "You Lie" :W

Sincerely,
The No Spin Zone

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Fast Mopar wrote:

Hybridhunter wrote:

I'm sure the Rams superior reliability and longevity is the reason it's the worst selling HD truck, and almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry.

Almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry??? Seriously????

Is your real name Travelnutz?

The people that PERSONALLY depend on their trucks the majority pick RAM, GM a close second then FORD well behind.

Full time RVers

RV/hotshot and so on.

Looks like the ambulance companies and tow companies are going with RAM and International since Ford has left them along the side of the road too many times.

Again I disagree... Our recent trip from Texas to Florida I basically saw Ford and Chevy compared to RAM a 10:1 ratio. It wasn't even close. And I didn't even see (1) half ton RAM pulling a trailer.

For the hot shots around the Houston area I do see more RAMs (deleted of course) no question, but the Fords (non deleted)are starting to show increase numbers while I can't remember seeing the last Chevy hotshot.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

larry barnhart wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

dbbls wrote:
The bottom line, Ford is still the best selling pickup.

All that proves is that people like the words "PowerStroke" and "Super Duty".

To me it means ford sells more truck PERIOD.....

chevman

You two do understand that Ford adds ALL their F-Series together be able to continue buffaloing the mindless sheep right? That includes, F-150-750, they used to say the F-150 was the best selling pick-up in America. When they lost that title they started the F-Series BS, but there are plenty of sheep out there.

I have felt the same for a long time on the f sales but it doesn't seem to mean much to who prints the truck news so "what difference does it make" Period.

chevman

Fast Mopar wrote:

Hybridhunter wrote:

I'm sure the Rams superior reliability and longevity is the reason it's the worst selling HD truck, and almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry.

Almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry??? Seriously????

Is your real name Travelnutz?

The people that PERSONALLY depend on their trucks the majority pick RAM, GM a close second then FORD well behind.

Full time RVers

RV/hotshot and so on.

Looks like the ambulance companies and tow companies are going with RAM and International since Ford has left them along the side of the road too many times.

Hybridhunter wrote:

I'm sure the Rams superior reliability and longevity is the reason it's the worst selling HD truck, and almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry.

Almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry??? Seriously????

Is your real name Travelnutz?

FishOnOne wrote:

SLE wrote:
Alright, lets get a few things straight. First off, the Ram 3500 and the Ford F450 for all intensive purposes are the same class truck, both carry a 14,000 lb GVWRs and both are rated to tow more than 30k lbs. I don't care how they are badged so long as they have similar GVWR and Tow Ratings. Jumping up to a 4500 Ram is going to yield worse results as the engines are derated in that series and it's likely a heavier truck which will handicap it even more. They are using the best configured Ram available which offers very similar ratings to the Ford.

Seconding, even if Ford uses an F350, the powertrain is the same right down to the rear end ratio, the differences are in frame, suspension components, tires, and maybe brakes (I don't know on that one). The race to the top of the hill wouldn't change. The handling and stopping might however I expect the exhaust brake and programming is the same between them.

Next, why is everyone always so hung up on the rear gear ratio. This is simply one component. Nobody mentions tire size, transmission ratios, torque converters, etc. The rear end ratio is only one part of the equation. At the end of the day, the deepest rear end available in Ram's Max Tow configuration is a 4.10 and for ford is a 4.30. Each manufacturer has determined these rear end ratios are what is needed to meet the subsequent rating for each truck. It comes down to a comparison of the two most capable trucks available in stock configuration.

Lastly, the last time this same test was ran (by the so called "ford advertising site"), the Dodge prevailed, Kudos to them for such a good package. Since that time the Ford has seen some changes and this should highlight how well those changes have been implemented and if they truly make a difference. It's obvious that Ford took that last test very seriously, looked at there truck, and made it a point to make some improvements. You can only hope the other manufacturers will do the same.

Well said... Forget the plastic label badge on these trucks.

Ohhhhh...OK so as long as the test works in your Kool-aid then it's a valid test right guys? But when your flavor has to resort to trickery and flat out lies then it's no longer a valid test, but spin away. As lawnspecialties said stop the HP/TQ wars and build a diesel truck that can get some real mileage again, you know like my 2004 tractor as it was called by a member that's no longer here. LOL

Don

larry barnhart wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

dbbls wrote:
The bottom line, Ford is still the best selling pickup.

All that proves is that people like the words "PowerStroke" and "Super Duty".

To me it means ford sells more truck PERIOD.....

chevman

You two do understand that Ford adds ALL their F-Series together be able to continue buffaloing the mindless sheep right? That includes, F-150-750, they used to say the F-150 was the best selling pick-up in America. When they lost that title they started the F-Series BS, but there are plenty of sheep out there.

06Fargo wrote:

chevor wrote:
How longs it gonna be before I can get a stock 500 hp 1000 ft/lb truck?

They are all over the lot down at your local medium&heavy duty truck dealer :)

Short on drink holders, bells and whistles though...

Hay I got drink holders !
and a fridge
and a city horn (whistle/bells)
and 110 power
and a TV
and a closet
;)

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