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boocoodinkydow wrote:
womps wrote:
Motor Trend has the 2.7 ecoboost handily beating the ecodiesel in all of their timed runs. I have a 2012 F150 ecoboost and a 2014 JGC ecodiesel. My ecoboost will smoke the ecodiesel at any speed. I tried it. The F150 has a 3.73 ratio where the JGC has a 3.45 so maybe that is the difference. If I turn the traction control off of the ecoboost I will smoke the tires once the turbos spool up. Also there is a 1,000 lb. weight disadvantage with my F150 versus my JGC.
And your point is?? Of what importance is that?
My point is in response to Dons post.womps wrote:
Motor Trend has the 2.7 ecoboost handily beating the ecodiesel in all of their timed runs. I have a 2012 F150 ecoboost and a 2014 JGC ecodiesel. My ecoboost will smoke the ecodiesel at any speed. I tried it. The F150 has a 3.73 ratio where the JGC has a 3.45 so maybe that is the difference. If I turn the traction control off of the ecoboost I will smoke the tires once the turbos spool up. Also there is a 1,000 lb. weight disadvantage with my F150 versus my JGC.
And your point is?? Of what importance is that?- Motor Trend has the 2.7 ecoboost handily beating the ecodiesel in all of their timed runs. I have a 2012 F150 ecoboost and a 2014 JGC ecodiesel. My ecoboost will smoke the ecodiesel at any speed. I tried it. The F150 has a 3.73 ratio where the JGC has a 3.45 so maybe that is the difference. If I turn the traction control off of the ecoboost I will smoke the tires once the turbos spool up. Also there is a 1,000 lb. weight disadvantage with my F150 versus my JGC.
ib516 wrote:
I think you guys are off the mark.
Most 1500 series trucks are not used for heavy hauling or towing. Most of them are used to haul people and the odd thing in the bed. Research says only 5% of them ever go off road.
Remember, this is an RV forum, and most of you think of things from this perspective, but most people do not buy a 1500 series truck for towing or hauling.
That's what 2500 and 3500 series trucks are for.
One thing I noticed is how different the uses for a Pickup, varied from Australia and the U.S. . The 1/2 tons are used mainly as SUV's. and going off road is a pretty foreign concept for many Very, very different to here.Yes the Global versions are used as "cars", but they haul boats, caravans, carry tools, electrical, concreting etc Off Road use is very much greater Roughly my estimate 30-40% go Off Road- Not sure how some can skew the "math" but the Ecodiesel costs the same as the Ecoboost 2.7 or 3.5. But spin away all you want. Oil filters are pricy if you go with Mopar filters but there are aftermarket filters out there now, the oil is no more costly than any other full syn oil and the ecodiesel is rated for 10,000 mile oil/filter changes. Oil does not have to be changed as long as you have an oil analysis done with TBN checked and it comes back showing the oil is good!
So I guess there is no "economic sense to buy" a Ford Ecoboost then right? That wasn't you that I toasted off the line on SR-25 between Christmas and New years was it OH48LT?
Don Bionic Man wrote:
ib516 wrote:
I think you guys are off the mark.
Most 1500 series trucks are not used for heavy hauling or towing. Most of them are used to haul people and the odd thing in the bed. Research says only 5% of them ever go off road.
Remember, this is an RV forum, and most of you think of things from this perspective, but most people do not buy a 1500 series truck for towing or hauling.
That's what 2500 and 3500 series trucks are for.
X2. And for those that don't believe it, do your own experiement. Tomorrow on your way to work, count the number of 1500 series trucks that are hauling nothing but air vs the number of 1500 trucks that have something in their bed or on the hitch.
And, I do agree that the economics might not make sense right now with the price per gallon of diesel vs gas, but this is about CAFE ratings for Chrysler and the emotional side of a car purchase for the buyer. For many, it feels a lot better to look at their MPG reading and see 29 vs 20.
Well that's a meaningless experiment unless you capture 2500/3500 trucks for comparison... Heck I drove to work this morning in a unloaded Super Duty! Why? It's my daily driver.
I see a lot of half ton trucks pulling campers and utility trailers with the side by side utility vehicle and hunting gear, and I also see a lot of 2500/3500 trucks with no load and probably never towed a trailer for the life of the truck.
I would summarize that .5 ton truck owners are more diverse with their needs.v10superduty wrote:
I would say he is a bit out of touch with reality.. :S.
Not at all. Sergio Marchionne, as well as the CEO's of GM & Ford recognize 1/2 ton crew cab trucks are the new family sedan. Hell, F-150's make up the bulk of Ford's annual sales. Would guess far more of them are grocery getters and occasional haulers than work trucks. Therefore, they must sip fuel like an economy car, ride like a limo, and be loaded to the gills with interior creature comforts. And oh yes, gotta do all this and worry about those EPA mileage numbers too.ib516 wrote:
I think you guys are off the mark.
Most 1500 series trucks are not used for heavy hauling or towing. Most of them are used to haul people and the odd thing in the bed. Research says only 5% of them ever go off road.
Remember, this is an RV forum, and most of you think of things from this perspective, but most people do not buy a 1500 series truck for towing or hauling.
That's what 2500 and 3500 series trucks are for.
X2. And for those that don't believe it, do your own experiement. Tomorrow on your way to work, count the number of 1500 series trucks that are hauling nothing but air vs the number of 1500 trucks that have something in their bed or on the hitch.
And, I do agree that the economics might not make sense right now with the price per gallon of diesel vs gas, but this is about CAFE ratings for Chrysler and the emotional side of a car purchase for the buyer. For many, it feels a lot better to look at their MPG reading and see 29 vs 20.- I went "window shopping" for a Ram for my use... I Don't tow heavy anymore and in the foreseeable future my towing needs will not exceed 4500 ish lbs.
I went and test drove an EcoDiesel 2wd and a Pentastsar V6 4x4 back to back. Both in the club cab (small back doors)The Pentastar had more power throughout the RPM Range and simply felt faster.
The Lie-o-meter on both trucks was reset by me at the beginning of each test drive...drove each trucks at the same speed over the same route and the MPG at the end of the test drive was about 19 mpg for both trucks.
If I was buying that day I would have taken the pentastar home.
More power, similar fuel economy, nearly 7,000 lb tow rating and that one had about 1600 lbs of payload.
Pretty sure my next half ton truck will be a 3.55 geared Pentastar Ram.
Thanks!
Jeremiah - The only thing light duty diesel vehicles have going for them is that most people don't look at the economic sense! When I bought my 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee I took the diesel because it was free. Not a good free gift. I am spending more per mile than the V6 gas engine. Not only that, try trading in a Jeep with a diesel right now. Not good. Not sure if the Ram 1500 is holding it's value or not.
