New HD Truck - Atlis

agesilaus wrote:

drsteve wrote:
Prepare for page after page of naysayers who cannot imagine that technology will continue to advance and eventually make EVs the logical choice.

Well Dr Steve, why don't you show us some actual proof that something like this could be built. Hard numbers. Not rhetoric. Just curious what are you the doctor of? If it's electrical, mechanical, automotive engineering or physics then that would add some weight to your words.

Nah, none of that. What QUALIFIES you to say NO to this new technology? I don't see any credentials by your name either. All you do is come on here and don't even do an ounce of research. He has NOTHING to prove to you. Why don't YOU qualify your "NO's". By the way Europe already has 60000 Recharging stations and a slew of EV's and Hybrids. Yup they're kinda 7 yrs ahead of us. Bet you didn't know that. By 2030 there will be no more ICE engines in Europe, they will be outlawed. Bet you didn't know that either. Here's a hind: Google it, then Google it again.

drsteve wrote:
Prepare for page after page of naysayers who cannot imagine that technology will continue to advance and eventually make EVs the logical choice.

Well said. I'm laughing it up right now. A bunch of Arm chair engineers with no credentials to their names yet they know everything there is to know about this technology. I guess the engineers at these companies and companies like Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW, Tesla, Nissan, Honda, Toyota and so on, Don't know what their talking about either.

Groover wrote:
I have already expressed skepticism about this company and their claims but that doesn't mean that I am required to join the chorus of ill-informed electric vehicle detractors. I am definitely not required to invest in anyone.

Seems to me the detractors on this thread are detractors of this particular pie-in-the-sky vehicle, not necessarily electric vehicles per se.

And just curious as to why people that disagree with your viewpoint are considered to be "ill-informed electric vehicle detractors"? There are differing viewpoints held by very well informed individuals, and some of those well informed individuals disagree with you.

Chainwright wrote:

Great question, I asked myself that question for many many years. My grandpa was an engineer at Mercedes Benz. He made a few calls. It takes a car manufacturer 1700 dollars to produce a normal sedan, it takes mercedes 3000 dollars to produce a Luxury sedan. There are some American equivalents that are made in china under the GM brand, that only cost the end consumer in china 8k but here they cost us 30K.

It sounds like you and your grandpa need to start a car company and become multi-billionaires.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Groover wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

I am skeptical of this truck but your estimate of battery cost seems to presume the need for a 1,400kwh battery. That might be needed to get full advertised range with full advertised towing capacity but I am thinking it is one or the other and the battery is only going to be about 250kwh or about $25,000. I am also very skeptical about finding a charger that can charge a battery of this size in 15 minutes unless they are counting on using the charging network that Tesla is probably going to build for their semi's. I sure don't see these guys building a charger network with their expected volumes. I am skeptical of the 15 minute charge capability too. A company that can build batteries for $100/kwh with a 15 minute recharge time and a decent life would be worth many billions of dollars for just the battery output, why fool around with the trucks? Focus on what you excel at!

That suspiciously sounds like you agree with me and this whole thing is bovine excrement. Refreshing!

As far as the 1,400KW/hr battery. What am I supposed to think? The best made tiny car can't even go 300 miles between charges and this tiny car costs $140,000 dollars. Think about that.

Trucks are a LOT bigger and use a LOT more energy than a little tiny car. A LOT more! That's why an F150 uses a LOT more fuel than lets say a Ford Focus.

At those prices Tesla hasn't made a profit except in 1 qt of their entire existence. (Almost 20 years)

The Model 3 is not tiny, will go over 300 miles with the 72kwh battery and costs $51,000 before tax credits and that is in the premium version since that is all that is offered at this time. It is finding wide acceptance as a BMW replacement. They have only reported 1 qt with profit but the next report is due any day now and is expected to show another profit. You need to up date your info substantially.

Cost
https://3.tesla.com/model3/design#battery

Range:
https://www.tesla.com/model3

My son will gladly attest to the accuracy of Tesla range and the fact that Tesla range guide is far more accurate than Nissan's in the Leaf.

LOL, Aaaaa the link I gave you is for a Model X and it says it costs 140 grand with a range of 289 miles for it's super duper pooper battery.

The reason I compared an X to a pickup is because it's more realistic in size. Sorry, but comparing a model 3 to a pickup is ridiculous. A model 3 IS a tiny car compared to a pickup.

You don't seem to have any idea of the energy consumption of a pickup driving let alone towing.

First you say you are skeptical of this truck then you give links that have nothing to do with how this company is going to make such a truck with such a long range and low price.

My point is, Tesla can't even do it. So how is this company going to do it? Please explain?

You must not know how to copy and past a link. It works for me and it even says Model 3 in the link.
I can't help your definition of tiny but I have had "mid-size" rental cars that were smaller.

I have been driving pickup trucks since 1991, currently own 3 and I have been towing since 1976, before pickups were even suitable for family trips or really even for towing. I am well aware of the fuel requirements for pickups and towing.

Surely you realize that being obsessed with the cost of the most expensive electric car on the road doesn't support your case that all electric cars cost that much. You even acknowledge that you looked at the wrong link and knew it was wrong at the time. When you get interested in reality I will be glad to discuss facts with you.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm confused. :@

Can one of you smart people explain something to me?

Tesla builds their own batteries; true? (along with Panasonic)

If true; they really don't have to pay other companies for their batteries; true?

If true, they should have the lowest cost for their batteries; true?

If true, last time I checked their cost/ HW/hr was a little less than $100/KW/hr. (IOW's they have the lowest cost of any company) True?

If true; Tesla's biggest and best X model can't even make it 300 miles without even recharging. Link True?

If true; this little tiny car cost 1 hundred and 40 grand! $140,000 dollars PLUS.....for this tiny car. True? Link True?


Now my question: How in the mutha #$%@#^% hell is this company going to build a big pickup the goes 500 miles on a charge sell it for less that 50K? For even 75K...…………..hell...…………..for even 100K?

How is that going to happen? :h :h :h

Or is this going to be one of those 35K unicorn's again? :B

Great question, I asked myself that question for many many years. My grandpa was an engineer at Mercedes Benz. He made a few calls. It takes a car manufacturer 1700 dollars to produce a normal sedan, it takes mercedes 3000 dollars to produce a Luxury sedan. There are some American equivalents that are made in china under the GM brand, that only cost the end consumer in china 8k but here they cost us 30K.

Groover wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

I am skeptical of this truck but your estimate of battery cost seems to presume the need for a 1,400kwh battery. That might be needed to get full advertised range with full advertised towing capacity but I am thinking it is one or the other and the battery is only going to be about 250kwh or about $25,000. I am also very skeptical about finding a charger that can charge a battery of this size in 15 minutes unless they are counting on using the charging network that Tesla is probably going to build for their semi's. I sure don't see these guys building a charger network with their expected volumes. I am skeptical of the 15 minute charge capability too. A company that can build batteries for $100/kwh with a 15 minute recharge time and a decent life would be worth many billions of dollars for just the battery output, why fool around with the trucks? Focus on what you excel at!

That suspiciously sounds like you agree with me and this whole thing is bovine excrement. Refreshing!

As far as the 1,400KW/hr battery. What am I supposed to think? The best made tiny car can't even go 300 miles between charges and this tiny car costs $140,000 dollars. Think about that.

Trucks are a LOT bigger and use a LOT more energy than a little tiny car. A LOT more! That's why an F150 uses a LOT more fuel than lets say a Ford Focus.

At those prices Tesla hasn't made a profit except in 1 qt of their entire existence. (Almost 20 years)

The Model 3 is not tiny, will go over 300 miles with the 72kwh battery and costs $51,000 before tax credits and that is in the premium version since that is all that is offered at this time. It is finding wide acceptance as a BMW replacement. They have only reported 1 qt with profit but the next report is due any day now and is expected to show another profit. You need to up date your info substantially.

Cost
https://3.tesla.com/model3/design#battery

Range:
https://www.tesla.com/model3

My son will gladly attest to the accuracy of Tesla range and the fact that Tesla range guide is far more accurate than Nissan's in the Leaf.

LOL, Aaaaa the link I gave you is for a Model X and it says it costs 140 grand with a range of 289 miles for it's super duper pooper battery.

The reason I compared an X to a pickup is because it's more realistic in size. Sorry, but comparing a model 3 to a pickup is ridiculous. A model 3 IS a tiny car compared to a pickup.

You don't seem to have any idea of the energy consumption of a pickup driving let alone towing.

First you say you are skeptical of this truck then you give links that have nothing to do with how this company is going to make such a truck with such a long range and low price.

My point is, Tesla can't even do it. So how is this company going to do it? Please explain?

fj12ryder wrote:

Groover wrote:
In 1900 a lot of well educated people thought that heavier than air flight was impossible. In 1942 "experts" from the Air Force side of the Army advised the U.S. Navy that the supersonic flight required for bunker busting bombs to work was impossible. You sound a lot like those guys. The Navy built the bombs and destroyed the submarine pens without their help. Sometimes you just need a positive attitude and some time. Sometimes we fail but that even that doesn't prove it is impossible. How many times did Edison fail in his efforts to make the light bulb?

By the way, Ford is talking about making a small pickup based on the Focus. The Model 3 is doing very well right now and would probably make a better platform. That would be a small step but as the Chinese proverb says "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step".

If you think this truck is a valid idea, I'm sure you've proceeded to sink some money into it. I think EV's are possible, but whether they ever reach widespread use remains to be seen.

But this truck, which is the focus of this thread BTW, is not really very credible. Too many claims, some of which are pretty far-fetched by anyone's standards.

Have you invested in this truck, which you are defending so vehemently?

I have already expressed skepticism about this company and their claims but that doesn't mean that I am required to join the chorus of ill-informed electric vehicle detractors. I am definitely not required to invest in anyone.

fj12ryder wrote:

Groover wrote:
In 1900 a lot of well educated people thought that heavier than air flight was impossible. In 1942 "experts" from the Air Force side of the Army advised the U.S. Navy that the supersonic flight required for bunker busting bombs to work was impossible. You sound a lot like those guys. The Navy built the bombs and destroyed the submarine pens without their help. Sometimes you just need a positive attitude and some time. Sometimes we fail but that even that doesn't prove it is impossible. How many times did Edison fail in his efforts to make the light bulb?

By the way, Ford is talking about making a small pickup based on the Focus. The Model 3 is doing very well right now and would probably make a better platform. That would be a small step but as the Chinese proverb says "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step".

If you think this truck is a valid idea, I'm sure you've proceeded to sink some money into it. I think EV's are possible, but whether they ever reach widespread use remains to be seen.

But this truck, which is the focus of this thread BTW, is not really very credible. Too many claims, some of which are pretty far-fetched by anyone's standards.

Have you invested in this truck, which you are defending so vehemently?

So unless someone invests money in this particular company, their advocacy means nothing?

Whatever.

agesilaus wrote:

drsteve wrote:
Prepare for page after page of naysayers who cannot imagine that technology will continue to advance and eventually make EVs the logical choice.

Well Dr Steve, why don't you show us some actual proof that something like this could be built. Hard numbers. Not rhetoric. Just curious what are you the doctor of? If it's electrical, mechanical, automotive engineering or physics then that would add some weight to your words.

Thanks for proving my point.