New Ram/Cummins vs GM/Duramax on the IKE

RCMAN46 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:


How many here still think the “BRANDED” 10 speed is the Savior???

When Ram/Cummins uses a 10 speed it will be the savior just like the CP4 is OK now that Ram is using it.

I think thew test proves the 10 speed did not help at all. That GM should have walked away from the RAM.

ksss wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
The 10 speed with lower combined load should have stomped the measly 6 speed with 6 tires dragging the road.

Same downhill braking. GM should have been better with lighter load and higher revving engine to give more braking HP.

Heavier combined load but better economy.

How many here still think the “BRANDED” 10 speed is the Savior???

The extra 100 foot/pounds in the RAM certainly didn't carry the day. Your trusting the DIC to decide who has better fuel economy when they are separated by tenths of a gallon? Certainly you know better.

I certainly don't trust what the computer says. Just stating what they showed. BUT the CUMMINS in line is indisputable being fuel efficient proven many times.

Personally don't care much about fuel economy, I want my TV to perform day in and day out as all 5 of my RAM/Cummins trucks have.

ksss wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Don’t forget RAM is much heavier.

Would you just stop. They are even at that weight. Look at it like the extra gears did not make the GM pickup any faster up the hill, or that the 100 extra pound/feet from RAM didnt buy anything. Your endless RAM excuses really get old.

As for watching fat dudes pull up Ike for the uptenth time, when they are running all DRW's pulling 30K plus up the hill, that should be worth enduring another run up the Ike to see. For 12V98's sake, RAM better win, or we will all have to endure more excuses and he might develop a drinking problem.

Don't like FACTS, SORRY. If it's a problem simply block me.

The RAM combo was HEAVIER like it or not. 6 tire drag does make a difference.

How bout placing the hitch center BEHIND the center of the rear axle??? YES it dit take weight OFF the front with 3k pin.

STUPID

Me Again wrote:

RCMAN46 wrote:
" The 10 speed did not beat the 6 speed in a drag race "

I do not recall there was a drag race.

I suspect from a standing start towing 16,000 lbs or more so with 35,000 lbs the 10 speed will definitely shine against the 6 speed.

One with highest torque off the line will be ahead. At the end of the race the one with highest HP will be ahead.

Also V8 are normally quicker that I-6.

Is anyone still putting V8's is OTR trucks? Most now that low RPM high torque I-6's.

I believe the V8 and the I6 diesels deliver peak torque at essentially the same rpm's.

Also the new gen cummins now has lower compression so it relies more on the turbo so I suspect that means it now has to run at a higher rpm to make more power.

I want to say the Chevy with less torque reached 60mph a little quicker than the ram that supposed to have more torque. No where in this test did I see an advantage with the new gen cummins over the current gen Duramax which is a carry over engine.

Also the needs for a OTR truck is entirely different than these light duty trucks.

RCMAN46 wrote:
" The 10 speed did not beat the 6 speed in a drag race "

I do not recall there was a drag race.

I suspect from a standing start towing 16,000 lbs or more so with 35,000 lbs the 10 speed will definitely shine against the 6 speed.

And read within the context. Parsing out that comment without the context of the entire post is misleading.

RCMAN46 wrote:
" The 10 speed did not beat the 6 speed in a drag race "

I do not recall there was a drag race.

I suspect from a standing start towing 16,000 lbs or more so with 35,000 lbs the 10 speed will definitely shine against the 6 speed.

What is the test on the way up? To maintain 60 MPH. So with vehicles with similar or an abundance of power to maintain the speed limit or very close where is the race won? On the accelerations.

RCMAN46 wrote:
" The 10 speed did not beat the 6 speed in a drag race "

I do not recall there was a drag race.

I suspect from a standing start towing 16,000 lbs or more so with 35,000 lbs the 10 speed will definitely shine against the 6 speed.

One with highest torque off the line will be ahead. At the end of the race the one with highest HP will be ahead.

Also V8 are normally quicker that I-6.

Is anyone still putting V8's is OTR trucks? Most now that low RPM high torque I-6's.

What this video showed me is, even after all that, it comes down to payload and GRAWR.

Nice to see a SRW that can handle 16K up the Ike, but a 16K 5er will probably have close to 4K pin weight, which means it will exceed the RAWR of the Chevy (since they said 3K pin weight was max). Assuming the 3K max pin weight of the chevy is based on rear axle weight, my Ram 3500 SRW has a 3750 rear axle capacity remaining after spray in bed liner and tonneau cover.

So, even with all that, it would appear that the Chevy SRW is still gonna be limited to 5ers in the 14K range (give or take).

" The 10 speed did not beat the 6 speed in a drag race "

I do not recall there was a drag race.

I suspect from a standing start towing 16,000 lbs or more so with 35,000 lbs the 10 speed will definitely shine against the 6 speed.