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ShinerBock
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Jul 03, 2019

Performance/Efficiency versions of Cummins 6.7L

It appears that Cummins is doing the same thing to their 6.7L engines that they have been doing with the larger on highway engines for the past few years by making a performance version and an efficient version of the same engine. The performance versions of their engines have higher power levels at the expense of lower compression ratio to keep NOx levels within standards. The efficient versions generally have higher compression ratios at the expense of power. For those that do not know, compression ratio has a direct correlation with an engines efficiency and how much NOx it produces at a given power output. Essentially the more power you produce, the more NOx you create so to combat this you have to lower compression ratio which reduces efficiency.

With the 2019 Cummins, the 400 hp "performance" version with the Aisin comes with a 16.2:1 compression ratio(down from 17.3:1 from 2007-2018) while the 370 hp "efficient" version with the 68RFE comes with a 19.0:1 compression ratio. However, it appears Ram is not calling them performance or efficient version like Cummins does with their other engines.

There are no official reviews on the fuel mileage difference, but I would wager it is around a 1-2 mpg(could be more) difference between the two which is similar to the difference percentage wise in the larger engines. Maybe Ram/Cummins is finally listening to many people here who have stated that these trucks make plenty of power for what the average consumer tows, and to start focusing on making the engine more efficient instead of increasing power/towing ratings at the expense of efficiency.

What do you think? If you had a choice and towed less than 20k lbs, would you choose the 400 hp/1,000 lb-ft performance version at the expense of 1-2 mpg or go with the 370 hp/850 lb-ft at the expense of 30 hp and 150 lb-ft and higher than 20k tow rating?
  • eHoefler wrote:
    Compression is only one part of the puzzle. The lower compression motor has a higher output turbo, which translate to higher compression when running hard. More air + more fuel = more power. As far as fuel economy, I am with in 1/2 mile per gallon of my old truck, pulling the same trailer and the same roads. With just over 2,000 miles on this beast. As miles get put on, I suspect the milage will only get better, like my 4 previous Rams.


    The lower compression allows for more power while staying within NOx emissions. You could not have that same power output with the 19.0:1 compression ratio engine and still remain NOx legal. I have to check the specs on Cummins Quickserve when I get back to work, but I don't believe the turbos are different just the engine tuning. Both engines can easily and reliably make well over factory power levels, but they cannot do it and stay emissions legal.
  • Compression is only one part of the puzzle. The lower compression motor has a higher output turbo, which translate to higher compression when running hard. More air + more fuel = more power. As far as fuel economy, I am with in 1/2 mile per gallon of my old truck, pulling the same trailer and the same roads. With just over 2,000 miles on this beast. As miles get put on, I suspect the milage will only get better, like my 4 previous Rams.
  • Cummins12V98 wrote:
    I will bet towing them side by side they will get similar mileage. No way 1-2 mpg different. Running solo maybe.


    The larger efficiency engines get better fuel mileage than the performance versions even when towing. An engine with a higher compression ratio will be more efficient than the same engine with a lower compression ratio at all engines speeds and loads due to its higher thermal efficiency.

    This higher efficiency is represented as a percentage so a 20% increase for example of a higher number will be be greater numerically than a 20% increase of a lower number. For example, a 20% increase of 15 mpg is 18 mpg while a 20% increase of 10 mpg is 12 mpg.
  • I will bet towing them side by side they will get similar mileage. No way 1-2 mpg different. Running solo maybe.
  • ShinerBock wrote:
    It appears that Cummins is doing the same thing to their 6.7L engines that they have been doing with the larger on highway engines for the past few years by making a performance version and an efficient version of the same engine. The performance versions of their engines have higher power levels at the expense of lower compression ratio to keep NOx levels within standards. The efficient versions generally have higher compression ratios at the expense of power. For those that do not know, compression ratio has a direct correlation with an engines efficiency and how much NOx it produces at a given power output. Essentially the more power you produce, the more NOx you create so to combat this you have to lower compression ratio which reduces efficiency.

    With the 2019 Cummins, the 400 hp "performance" version with the Aisin comes with a 16.2:1 compression ratio(down from 17.3:1 from 2007-2018) while the 370 hp "efficient" version with the 68RFE comes with a 19.0:1 compression ratio. However, it appears Ram is not calling them performance or efficient version like Cummins does with their other engines.

    There are no official reviews on the fuel mileage difference, but I would wager it is around a 1-2 mpg(could be more) difference between the two which is similar to the difference percentage wise in the larger engines. Maybe Ram/Cummins is finally listening to many people here who have stated that these trucks make plenty of power for what the average consumer tows, and to start focusing on making the engine more efficient instead of increasing power/towing ratings at the expense of efficiency.

    What do you think? If you had a choice and towed less than 20k lbs, would you choose the 400 hp/1,000 lb-ft performance version at the expense of 1-2 mpg or go with the 370 hp/850 lb-ft at the expense of 30 hp and 150 lb-ft and higher than 20k tow rating?


    Interesting that you post this today, as a lunch today at our Veteran's Habitat for Humanity build I was sitting next to a guy that has a 2016 2500 RAM and he quoted non towing best mileage numbers 1-2 MPG better than my 2015 3500 HO gets. Chris
  • IdaD wrote:
    I'd take the more efficient option. My Cummins is rated 370/800 and I've never encountered a situation where I thought I needed any additional power.


    Mine is rated at 325/610 and I certainly could use more going up the Rockies. It just creates heat an wear though; probably safer to back it down.

    I'd buy the more efficient option. A 10% hit in power is nothing. Both will do the job, one will just do it faster.
  • I would take the efficiency one as well and just modify and tune it for more power afterwards to get the best of both worlds. If Ram added the 8HP to the efficient version then I would be very tempted to sell mine and get one. I would love to see the fuel mileage that thing gets deleted.
  • I'd take the more efficient option. My Cummins is rated 370/800 and I've never encountered a situation where I thought I needed any additional power.
  • All hinges on the fluctuating price of fuel. With the current trend of states jacking up fuel taxes (especially on diesel) to finance their dwindling coffers, 1-2 mpg might become a big deal down the road.