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transamz9 wrote:
BeerCan wrote:
transamz9 wrote:
BeerCan wrote:
My 2011 F150 took 6qts and a $4 MC filter
My 2013 F350 takes 13qts and a $14 MC filter
both olm's go to 7500k miles
No matter how you slice it an oil change cost more on the diesel. Just because it holds more oil, it is simple math. Why are people even arguing about this? Is it a badge of honor to have a cheap oil change nowadays?
I change mine at 10,000 miles but could go to 15,000 and my oil filter is $5. Your 150 recommends semi-synthetic and mine says dino oil.($36 plus $5 filter every 10,000 miles)No matter how you slice it, my diesel is cheaper than your 150 was. I also get better fuel mileage, haul more, pull more, and mine probably cost less new. Like someone has already said, depends on which diesel.;)
No. The F150 did not recommend synthetic (semi or otherwise) it only says that the oil should meet WSS-M2C929-A. Many dino oils meet that spec, such as PYB Plus it goes on sale often and sometimes includes a free filter. ;)
Okay and your point is? Your F150 still was not cheaper to service.
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OK you win. feel better?itguy08 wrote:
Or it could be that in places outside of North America Diesel is considerably cheaper than gasoline.. And that's why in Europe and other places they drive lots of Diesels - it's cheaper. Here in the USA Diesel used to be cheaper too but now it's around the price of premium or higher.
No it is not cheaper, in fact the purchase price is higher for a diesel engine and diesel is generally dearer than petrol even in Europe.Running costs overall are a lot cheaper, that is why so many diesels in Europe and the rest of the planet EXCEPT North America.Or it could also be that there is no excess capacity
No they have plenty of extra ramp up capacity to cope with imcreasing demand , that Ford hopes will not slow down.- Whether or not diesels cost more to maintain (oil changes, filter, etc.) is open to debate, and I think there are so many variables there that it's a tough argument to "win" either way.
I think what may happen is that things get cloudy when you consider not so much maintenance costs but the cost of big repairs; it's hard to deny that a turbo issue, a fueling or oiling system issue, or injector replacement is more expensive on a diesel. It's been said many times that for what a new fueling system or total injector replacement on a diesel costs you can likely buy a entire new gasoline engine.
I think that fact gets mixed in with maintenance costs and people jump to a conclusion that diesels are just more expensive, period, even if that isn't always the case. BeerCan wrote:
transamz9 wrote:
BeerCan wrote:
My 2011 F150 took 6qts and a $4 MC filter
My 2013 F350 takes 13qts and a $14 MC filter
both olm's go to 7500k miles
No matter how you slice it an oil change cost more on the diesel. Just because it holds more oil, it is simple math. Why are people even arguing about this? Is it a badge of honor to have a cheap oil change nowadays?
I change mine at 10,000 miles but could go to 15,000 and my oil filter is $5. Your 150 recommends semi-synthetic and mine says dino oil.($36 plus $5 filter every 10,000 miles)No matter how you slice it, my diesel is cheaper than your 150 was. I also get better fuel mileage, haul more, pull more, and mine probably cost less new. Like someone has already said, depends on which diesel.;)
No. The F150 did not recommend synthetic (semi or otherwise) it only says that the oil should meet WSS-M2C929-A. Many dino oils meet that spec, such as PYB Plus it goes on sale often and sometimes includes a free filter. ;)
Okay and your point is? Your F150 still was not cheaper to service.transamz9 wrote:
BeerCan wrote:
My 2011 F150 took 6qts and a $4 MC filter
My 2013 F350 takes 13qts and a $14 MC filter
both olm's go to 7500k miles
No matter how you slice it an oil change cost more on the diesel. Just because it holds more oil, it is simple math. Why are people even arguing about this? Is it a badge of honor to have a cheap oil change nowadays?
I change mine at 10,000 miles but could go to 15,000 and my oil filter is $5. Your 150 recommends semi-synthetic and mine says dino oil.($36 plus $5 filter every 10,000 miles)No matter how you slice it, my diesel is cheaper than your 150 was. I also get better fuel mileage, haul more, pull more, and mine probably cost less new. Like someone has already said, depends on which diesel.;)
No. The F150 did not recommend synthetic (semi or otherwise) it only says that the oil should meet WSS-M2C929-A. Many dino oils meet that spec, such as PYB Plus it goes on sale often and sometimes includes a free filter. ;)gmcsmoke wrote:
itguy08 wrote:
So why play with the numbers - regular oil (Rotella is not synthetic) for the Diesel and synthetic for the gas? But then again that wouldn't fit the agenda. Oh, and by the way, Rotella is $44.99 for 2.5 gallons at Advance.
GM Direct injection engines require DEXOS oil. Dexos 1 oil is a synthetic blend or full synthetic oil. Good luck finding a 5w-30 synthetic oil.
Sams club has rotella for $59.95 for 2 2.5 gallon containers.
so not only have to show you're wrong on this myth that diesel is vastly more expensive than gas, I have to find the best deals on supplies too?
I think most of us probably go somewhere to have our oil changed.Even though I changed my own oil on occasion, I find it a messy procedure and then you have to deal with putting it in containers (or transporting the container you used) to a disposal facility. It's a hassle. I would venture to say the "do it your selfers" are the exception rather than the rule. So it would probably be fair to compare costs at the dealer., local garage, etc. where ever you go to have your oil changed. I don't think comparing oil costs at Sam Club is the best way to go, simply because most of us have the oil changed elsewhere.itguy08 wrote:
So why play with the numbers - regular oil (Rotella is not synthetic) for the Diesel and synthetic for the gas? But then again that wouldn't fit the agenda. Oh, and by the way, Rotella is $44.99 for 2.5 gallons at Advance.
GM Direct injection engines require DEXOS oil. Dexos 1 oil is a synthetic blend or full synthetic oil. Good luck finding a 5w-30 synthetic oil.
Sams club has rotella for $59.95 for 2 2.5 gallon containers.
so not only have to show you're wrong on this myth that diesel is vastly more expensive than gas, I have to find the best deals on supplies too?BeerCan wrote:
My 2011 F150 took 6qts and a $4 MC filter
My 2013 F350 takes 13qts and a $14 MC filter
both olm's go to 7500k miles
No matter how you slice it an oil change cost more on the diesel. Just because it holds more oil, it is simple math. Why are people even arguing about this? Is it a badge of honor to have a cheap oil change nowadays?[/quote]
Good line, LOL.
Seems almost any topic can become a p*ssing contest amongst truck owners.BeerCan wrote:
My 2011 F150 took 6qts and a $4 MC filter
My 2013 F350 takes 13qts and a $14 MC filter
both olm's go to 7500k miles
No matter how you slice it an oil change cost more on the diesel. Just because it holds more oil, it is simple math. Why are people even arguing about this? Is it a badge of honor to have a cheap oil change nowadays?
I change mine at 10,000 miles but could go to 15,000 and my oil filter is $5. Your 150 recommends semi-synthetic and mine says dino oil.($36 plus $5 filter every 10,000 miles)No matter how you slice it, my diesel is cheaper than your 150 was. I also get better fuel mileage, haul more, pull more, and mine probably cost less new. Like someone has already said, depends on which diesel.;)itguy08 wrote:
ib516 wrote:
Where does this "higher maintenence costs" BS you keep spouting come from? Facts please.
The more frequent and expensive fuel filter changes, the more expensive diesel oil changes, DEF, larger cooling systems. Now those are costs for the 3/4 and 1 tons but I'd imagine this engine will have similar requirements.
Comparing the EcoBoost 3.5L gas engine to a HD 6.7L diesel? Not exactly meaningful.
How about facts instead of biased BS?
The maintenance costs for a Ram 1500 diesel and any other gas 1/2 ton truck will be so similar that it wouldn't make a bit of difference to anyone.
What WILL make a difference is fuel economy.
F150 EcoBoost gets 21 mpg hwy
1500 RAM diesel will likely get ~29 mpg hwy.
How do I get that number?
I get it from facts. The same diesel engine and 8 speed trans is rated for 30 mpg hwy in a Jeep Grand Cherokee, and the Jeep has a drag coefficient of 0.371 where the Ram 1500 has a drag coefficient of 0.360 (areo mode, active grill shutters, etc.), so 29 mpg is not unreasonable to assume.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that when these two trucks (the RAM diesel and the Ford EcoBoost) are put head to head, the 125hp advantage the EcoBoost has will make it win the race to the end of the drag strip, or to the top of the hill, towing and empty. If people want a high performance RAM 1500, they can opt for the Hemi/8 speed combo which gets similar mpg to the EcoBoost towing and empty, and performs similarly.
But, the RAM 1500 EcoDiesel will win at the pump (towing and unloaded), and it will ride and handle much better thanks to the air suspenion. I guess the end consumer will have to decide which is more important to them.
I think the majority of buyers of "half ton" trucks are looking for a vehicle that is primarily used as the family vehicle. They own a truck to haul stuff, haul their family around, tow a trailer here and there, and they are looking for a vehicle that can do all that and not kill their wallet at the pump. That is where the RAM 1500 diesel will shine.
Time will tell how this goes.
