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spoon059 wrote:
NC Hauler wrote:
You're talking about beefing up a truck to take "off road":S, as in REALLY OFF ROAD..Had to dig for that one, huh?
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It appears the Ford frame is weaker than the Ram frame, ie, not able to hold it's weight up without causing issues in trying to open tailgate, etc..So it makes me think that one picture, (video), is worth a thousand words as the old saying goes.
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My truck is OEM, not planning on 4 wheeling "off road"..not planning on taking chances with my warranty.
I have no dog in this fight except the desire for truth to overcome hyperbole and brand loyalty on this forum...
NC Hauler, you mock the one guy because he is talking about frame reinforcement for off-roading in the same exact post where you mock Ford for having a tailgate that won't open when it is seriously flexed as if it was going off-roading.
You then state that you have no intention of taking your truck off-roading, probably because it is meant to haul your RV, therefore you have no need for this reinforcement kit.
What about the Ford driver who is much like you... he has a dually to haul around a 15K lbs+ 5th wheel and will never take either further off-road that a gravel driveway in the RV park?
Just like the reinforcement kit is ridiculous to you, this marketing hype is ridiculous to him.
I've never really been "off roading" before in my life. I have a 4wd truck to handle winter snow and wet grass in campgrounds. This marketing ploy is nothing more than that... I will NEVER intentionally have my truck perched like that. If I somehow ever find it like that, I will move it before I try to open my tailgate.
Typical of these guys, we have a couple Ram fan boys for sure. Had a ford super duty for nearly 16 years, trust me never had a frame problem, took it places that I probably shouldn't have . No reinforcement kits, hell I didn't even know until I read this ridiculous thread that there could be frame issues, also towed a 13K fifth wheel with it for several years.
For the record I own a 2014 Ram Cummins, hope its half the truck that Ford turned out to be after 16 years.transamz9 wrote:
I think what NC is trying to say is that the video shows the frame is weaker period. Would you have rather had the video of them loading the trucks with weight sitting on flat ground until one of them folded? You would have just said that you won't put that much weight in your truck.
Based on "testing" that 99% of the population will never see. If you find unrealistic "testing" appropriate for you, so be it.- I think what NC is trying to say is that the video shows the frame is weaker period. Would you have rather had the video of them loading the trucks with weight sitting on flat ground until one of them folded? You would have just said that you won't put that much weight in your truck.
I personally would have liked to have seen them do the twist test with the tailgate down. I would almost bet the Ford would not have gotten the back wheel off the ground and probably would have buckled a bed panel. I believe the tailgate was acting as a brace.
As far as the Brace for the ram steering. The 13 and up have it already made into the truck from the factory. The aftermarket world is offering it because they know there are people that will buy it just because it's made. spoon059 wrote:
NC Hauler wrote:
You're talking about beefing up a truck to take "off road":S, as in REALLY OFF ROAD..Had to dig for that one, huh?
...
It appears the Ford frame is weaker than the Ram frame, ie, not able to hold it's weight up without causing issues in trying to open tailgate, etc..So it makes me think that one picture, (video), is worth a thousand words as the old saying goes.
...
My truck is OEM, not planning on 4 wheeling "off road"..not planning on taking chances with my warranty.
I have no dog in this fight except the desire for truth to overcome hyperbole and brand loyalty on this forum...
NC Hauler, you mock the one guy because he is talking about frame reinforcement for off-roading in the same exact post where you mock Ford for having a tailgate that won't open when it is seriously flexed as if it was going off-roading.
You then state that you have no intention of taking your truck off-roading, probably because it is meant to haul your RV, therefore you have no need for this reinforcement kit.
What about the Ford driver who is much like you... he has a dually to haul around a 15K lbs+ 5th wheel and will never take either further off-road that a gravel driveway in the RV park?
Just like the reinforcement kit is ridiculous to you, this marketing hype is ridiculous to him.
I've never really been "off roading" before in my life. I have a 4wd truck to handle winter snow and wet grass in campgrounds. This marketing ploy is nothing more than that... I will NEVER intentionally have my truck perched like that. If I somehow ever find it like that, I will move it before I try to open my tailgate.
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That is just one of the things funny about this Tow Vehicle forum (funny = ridiculous, not haha), the one-way street arguements that pop up a lot. At times, sounds like a bunch of politicians!NC Hauler wrote:
You're talking about beefing up a truck to take "off road":S, as in REALLY OFF ROAD..Had to dig for that one, huh?
...
It appears the Ford frame is weaker than the Ram frame, ie, not able to hold it's weight up without causing issues in trying to open tailgate, etc..So it makes me think that one picture, (video), is worth a thousand words as the old saying goes.
...
My truck is OEM, not planning on 4 wheeling "off road"..not planning on taking chances with my warranty.
I have no dog in this fight except the desire for truth to overcome hyperbole and brand loyalty on this forum...
NC Hauler, you mock the one guy because he is talking about frame reinforcement for off-roading in the same exact post where you mock Ford for having a tailgate that won't open when it is seriously flexed as if it was going off-roading.
You then state that you have no intention of taking your truck off-roading, probably because it is meant to haul your RV, therefore you have no need for this reinforcement kit.
What about the Ford driver who is much like you... he has a dually to haul around a 15K lbs+ 5th wheel and will never take either further off-road that a gravel driveway in the RV park?
Just like the reinforcement kit is ridiculous to you, this marketing hype is ridiculous to him.
I've never really been "off roading" before in my life. I have a 4wd truck to handle winter snow and wet grass in campgrounds. This marketing ploy is nothing more than that... I will NEVER intentionally have my truck perched like that. If I somehow ever find it like that, I will move it before I try to open my tailgate.The Mad Norsky wrote:
ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
:) Hi, check out "Big D Off Road, LLC" for $120.00 they have a kit for Dodge Ram Steering Gear Box Stabilizer 4WD 2009 to 2014 2500 and 3500 Series. :B
Would you consider a 2014 an older model with a different frame?
OK, found what you were talking about. Having previously owned a 1996 Dodge Ram 2500, a 2001 Ram 2500 and a 2006 Ram 3500, I've never had steering problems or found the need to even look for that product before.
Course I've never off roaded that much with any of them, nor placed over sized tires or wheels, so perhaps leaving things stock has saved me potential problems.
So I remain firmly convinced that an after market gizmo, from a company of unknown reliability, for a problem I've never had, will ever grace my vehicle.
Besides, who need knowledge when you have this forum for reference? :B
Good observation. Much like the jobsites coming to a screeching halt because the Ford tailgate would not open? So while this is a great marketing commercial, that is all it is.The Mad Norsky wrote:
ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
:) Hi, check out "Big D Off Road, LLC" for $120.00 they have a kit for Dodge Ram Steering Gear Box Stabilizer 4WD 2009 to 2014 2500 and 3500 Series. :B
Would you consider a 2014 an older model with a different frame?
OK, found what you were talking about. Having previously owned a 1996 Dodge Ram 2500, a 2001 Ram 2500 and a 2006 Ram 3500, I've never had steering problems or found the need to even look for that product before.
Course I've never off roaded that much with any of them, nor placed over sized tires or wheels, so perhaps leaving things stock has saved me potential problems.
So I remain firmly convinced that an after market gizmo, from a company of unknown reliability, for a problem I've never had, will ever grace my vehicle.
Besides, who need knowledge when you have this forum for reference? :B
Thank you Mad Norsky..I didn't even bother to look it up, but same as you, I'm not planning to take my truck off road or put over sized tires on it or put a lift or leveling kit on it, so I guess if one is going to "modify" their truck to do something like above, they'd need something like what ROBERTSUNRUST is talking about:h??? I'm also guessing that this "part" ISN'T offered to Chevy/GM or Ford owners from the way he makes the statement??
Found a few "tidbits" of information which can easily be found on line from my 2013 Ram truck 3500 brochure (you know, like the one's Chevy/GM or Ford owners will pick up at the dealership to learn what all is offered on the truck they're purchasing)..
"FRAME STRENGTH MEASURES UP..AT AN INCREDIBLE 50 KSI... The high strength steel on Ram trucks carries the same standard used to build bridges and submarine hulls. This is frame strength BUILT to work"
"The revised Ladder Frame with Eight tough cross-members and wider rails on the new Ram 2500 and 3500 lets you tackle the most challenging payloads with assured capability and unquestioned strength."
"A new fully integrated rear frame structural crossmember with provisions for a 5th wheel or Gooseneck hitch which help ramp up towing capability" .
" Modified Rear Axle help achieve new maximum capability. On the 3500, the reconfigured Hotchkiss (leaf) suspension let's you load Ram to groaning payloads with no compromises in handling or roll dynamics,
oh, and this..A new premium reciprocating ball steering gear with redesigned steering knuckles and balljoint and a more robust steering linkage on Ram 3500 models enhance steering and control with a more precise on center feel. --They directly contribute to Rams impressive higher GVWR's and payload/towing figures.
I left out info about all new front and rear suspensions, but appears to me there is nothing weak about this trucks frame or steering system...ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
NC Hauler wrote:
ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
:) Hi, just saying; If the Dodge frames are so good why are there so many aftermarket re-inforcement kits for them??????? I don't see those for Ford or Chevy.
Owned a 2010, 12 and now the 13 and haven't a clue what you're talking about:h..Spend a lot of time on the Cummins forum and TDR forums, only looking at 4th Generation mind you, but haven't seen anything about people buying "reinforcement kits" for their trucks frames:h. The 2013 3500's had a brand new frame , in 2014 the 2500 got the new frame..What kind of reinforcement kits are you talking about? We ARE talking about new generation Dodge/Ram trucks, ie all new frame... Watch the video this thread is about and though not "real world" that trucks would get into this position....which do you truly think needs a frame "reinforcement kit??????? (had to count, but yeah, you used 7 question marks, thought I would also.:)
:) Hi, check out previous post to read what I'm talking about. This kit includes all of the years that you mentioned. :S
You're talking about beefing up a truck to take "off road":S, as in REALLY OFF ROAD..Had to dig for that one, huh? One picture/video is worth a thousand words as the old saying goes and It appears the Ford frame is weaker than the Ram frame, ie, not able to hold it's weight up without causing issues in trying to open tailgate, etc..So it makes me think that one picture, (video), is worth a thousand words as the old saying goes.
My truck is OEM, not planning on 4 wheeling "off road"..not planning on taking chances with my warranty.
Again, does this company ONLY offer this product For the Dodge Ram truck only or is it also offered to Ford and GM/Chevy truck owners also...ie, after market for what purpose?
Oh, see next post...I posted true, pertinent information on some frame details about the Ram.ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
:) Hi, check out "Big D Off Road, LLC" for $120.00 they have a kit for Dodge Ram Steering Gear Box Stabilizer 4WD 2009 to 2014 2500 and 3500 Series. :B
Would you consider a 2014 an older model with a different frame?
OK, found what you were talking about. Having previously owned a 1996 Dodge Ram 2500, a 2001 Ram 2500 and a 2006 Ram 3500, I've never had steering problems or found the need to even look for that product before.
Course I've never off roaded that much with any of them, nor placed over sized tires or wheels, so perhaps leaving things stock has saved me potential problems.
So I remain firmly convinced that an after market gizmo, from a company of unknown reliability, for a problem I've never had, will ever grace my vehicle.
Besides, who need knowledge when you have this forum for reference? :BNC Hauler wrote:
ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
:) Hi, just saying; If the Dodge frames are so good why are there so many aftermarket re-inforcement kits for them??????? I don't see those for Ford or Chevy.
Owned a 2010, 12 and now the 13 and haven't a clue what you're talking about:h..Spend a lot of time on the Cummins forum and TDR forums, only looking at 4th Generation mind you, but haven't seen anything about people buying "reinforcement kits" for their trucks frames:h. The 2013 3500's had a brand new frame , in 2014 the 2500 got the new frame..What kind of reinforcement kits are you talking about? We ARE talking about new generation Dodge/Ram trucks, ie all new frame... Watch the video this thread is about and though not "real world" that trucks would get into this position....which do you truly think needs a frame "reinforcement kit??????? (had to count, but yeah, you used 7 question marks, thought I would also.:)
:) Hi, check out previous post to read what I'm talking about. This kit includes all of the years that you mentioned. :S
