Ram outsells Chevrolet.

Acdii wrote:
I compared the 19 Limited to an 18 Platinum. RAM has stepped up the game tremendously, that interior is just fantastic from materials, to stitching to the electronics. I went with the Platinum though for several reasons.

Ram, not known for reliability
Dealerships not known for decent care
Unknown crash ratings (which recently have been done and RAM matches Ford with 5 stars)
Unknown if the rust issues have been solved
poor engine choices
lack of available payload.
No tailgate step
known for having electrical issues

Aside from the Ford having a dated interior, it is still a rather good truck and I can see why it is still #1.

6 engine choices
Highest payload and towing
over 6 million combinations that can be built (mind blowing too when one is built every 53 seconds)
very nice styling.

GM will continue to stay at the bottom unless they fire all their engineers and hire some with talent and imagination instead of coming out with the same old same old style year after year. And please, that complicated tailgate? A disaster in the making.

About the only thing I did like that GM had over both Ford and Ram was the camera system. Doesn't say much does it.

Lets not forget Ford still has a dated frame in the SD line.

Payload, Ford F350 SRW max GVWR, is 11,500# Max GVWR Ram 3500 SRW is 12,300#, the only reason Ford can advertise Max payload is their stripper model is lighter than the Ram stripper.

You don't need six engine choices, if you have three great engine choices.

dodge guy wrote:

Groover wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
I can see that happening. The Ram quality is amazing! I will not be buying Fords anymore due to the rust issues! My neighbor has an 11 F150 that has been rusting for the past 4 years. To the point it looks like junk. My wife’s 13 Explorer has rear doors that are starting to rust where the door skin wraps over the door frame. And the hood paint is peeling. I have yet to see any 4 year old Rams rusted this badly let alone 7 or 8 years old! And the Hemi doesn’t have the timing chain/phaser/spark plug issues the Ford has.

I currently own the following Fords, a 2016, a 2013, a 2005 and a 2003. I sold a 1991 model in 2013 and a 2003 model in 2016. None have (or had) any of the issues that you are complaining about. I guess that you just had bad luck. It happens sometimes.

The rust belt shows all the rust issues manuf have. In the last 10
Years it has shifted to Ford having the problems. I see very few Dodge/Rams with rust issues.

Truck from one of the machinist I knew... Another one had his front bumper replaced because the chrome was pealing and the bumper was rusting.

Bionic Man wrote:
RAM has been gaining market share in trucks for quite a while.

Seems like it was a smart move to keep the “classic” truck as they roll out the new one.

I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I wonder if the design of the new Chevy also plays a large part in this shift.

B ugly comes to mind. I do not know if you have up sized the small in dash display that my friends 2017 has, my 8.4 is much larger.

RAM has been gaining market share in trucks for quite a while.

Seems like it was a smart move to keep the “classic” truck as they roll out the new one.

I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I wonder if the design of the new Chevy also plays a large part in this shift.

Bumpyroad wrote:


hey, if they sell them cheap, at least they know the true value of their product.
bumpy

Or the other two are taking advantage of consumers. I am on third Dodge/RAM diesel and have loved each one.

Talked to a guy at WM yesterday while buying a box of DEF.

He said he loved his 2008 Ford diesel. I said 6.0 or 6.4? He said 6.4, and that the cab had been off three times and one new engine.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Chris

Groover wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
I can see that happening. The Ram quality is amazing! I will not be buying Fords anymore due to the rust issues! My neighbor has an 11 F150 that has been rusting for the past 4 years. To the point it looks like junk. My wife’s 13 Explorer has rear doors that are starting to rust where the door skin wraps over the door frame. And the hood paint is peeling. I have yet to see any 4 year old Rams rusted this badly let alone 7 or 8 years old! And the Hemi doesn’t have the timing chain/phaser/spark plug issues the Ford has.

I currently own the following Fords, a 2016, a 2013, a 2005 and a 2003. I sold a 1991 model in 2013 and a 2003 model in 2016. None have (or had) any of the issues that you are complaining about. I guess that you just had bad luck. It happens sometimes.

The rust belt shows all the rust issues manuf have. In the last 10
Years it has shifted to Ford having the problems. I see very few Dodge/Rams with rust issues.

I have no idea if Ram outsells Chevy but I do see a lot of Rams on the road

Acdii wrote:
I compared the 19 Limited to an 18 Platinum. RAM has stepped up the game tremendously, that interior is just fantastic from materials, to stitching to the electronics. I went with the Platinum though for several reasons.

Ram, not known for reliability
Dealerships not known for decent care
Unknown crash ratings (which recently have been done and RAM matches Ford with 5 stars)
Unknown if the rust issues have been solved
poor engine choices
lack of available payload.
No tailgate step
known for having electrical issues

Aside from the Ford having a dated interior, it is still a rather good truck and I can see why it is still #1.

6 engine choices
Highest payload and towing
over 6 million combinations that can be built (mind blowing too when one is built every 53 seconds)
very nice styling.

GM will continue to stay at the bottom unless they fire all their engineers and hire some with talent and imagination instead of coming out with the same old same old style year after year. And please, that complicated tailgate? A disaster in the making.

About the only thing I did like that GM had over both Ford and Ram was the camera system. Doesn't say much does it.

Ram has poor engine choices? LOL, the vast majority of their engines (gas and diesel) have not had nearly the issues with reliability that Ford has in the last 15 years or so. Too funny....:R

dodge guy wrote:
I can see that happening. The Ram quality is amazing! I will not be buying Fords anymore due to the rust issues! My neighbor has an 11 F150 that has been rusting for the past 4 years. To the point it looks like junk. My wife’s 13 Explorer has rear doors that are starting to rust where the door skin wraps over the door frame. And the hood paint is peeling. I have yet to see any 4 year old Rams rusted this badly let alone 7 or 8 years old! And the Hemi doesn’t have the timing chain/phaser/spark plug issues the Ford has.

I currently own the following Fords, a 2016, a 2013, a 2005 and a 2003. I sold a 1991 model in 2013 and a 2003 model in 2016. None have (or had) any of the issues that you are complaining about. I guess that you just had bad luck. It happens sometimes.

downtheroad wrote:
Seems that we have some differences in opinion in this "best truck" thread. Who knew that would happen....:h

Isn't it nice that we have a choice ?

I do like having choices but it does appear that GM's latest release has not lived up to expectations.