This is worth the read...and watch. Obviously promotional but still informing. Story. https://stories.rivian.com/hot-weather-towingVideo https://youtu.be/b7P1uZIb6wA

Seems to be a nice "promo"The lack of a real world comparasion is glaring. Try to be realistic next time.Longer distances, real world circumstances, a "Benchmark comparasion" would be helpful.edit addI think most folks on here would accept a real world comparasion, even with a drop in capability in order to get a legitimate comparasion. But promotional bs claims hurt even the green movement when they are so blatant. Put your product out there honestly, or stay in your basement until you can withstand the light of day.

wanderingaimlessly wrote:Seems to be a nice "promo"The lack of a real world comparasion is glaring. Try to be realistic next time.Longer distances, real world circumstances, a "Benchmark comparasion" would be helpful.Yah a little skimpy on the numbers. Maybe in the “next episode”. :). Still fun read.

So 100 miles towing then. Got it.

1320Fastback wrote:So 100 miles towing then. Got it.I didn't see them mention any numbers like that. Was that on the video or in the write-up.

Reisender wrote:1320Fastback wrote:So 100 miles towing then. Got it.I didn't see them mention any numbers like that. Was that on the video or in the write-up.I didn't either...just the Davis Dam Route which is about 12 miles long. I didn't see where it indicated what percentage of range, that ate up.Of course, no one ever claimed electric cars couldn't put out big HP or torque...the entire issue is they can't do it for long enough to be viable.I have to agree with the other commenter that misleading tests only hurt the EV movement. If you want to impress people with towing capability, do a table of tests where you run a 10mile circular route with some moderate grades and use various size trailers...then post the table and details of how far it would go with each trailer size. That will give people a usable idea of what the truck can do.

Rivian 1/2 ton high temp, grade test. Good read/video

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ShinerBock
Explorer
Sep 23, 2020
FishOnOne wrote:
I still think hybrid technology is the way to go for long distance travel vs all electric vehicles.

Me too!

We are currently helping Cummins and PACCAR testing two diesel/electric hybrid class 6 truck with Frito-Lay. A small ISB4.5L diesel pushing a 175kw electric motor. They are using it to shuttle between their San Antonio, TX and Columbus, IN location which is about 1,150 miles. So far, it consumes 65% less fuel than the conventional PACCAR PX-7 (which is basically a Cummins 6.7L) that is normally in the truck.
Dadoffourgirls
Explorer
Sep 23, 2020
free radical wrote:

Also
HOW much does FUEL cost ya as compare to using EV car or truck

Btw Tesla SChargers are stil free

Maybe you enjoy breathing exhaust fumes,have at it

Since the radical continues -

If I buy a brand new Malibu that gets 40 mpg, it will be cheaper and easier to drive from MI to FL or MI to KS. If I go visit my daughter, and take a week vacation, I would like to see her for more than an hour.

Tesla built the price of charging into the vehicle.

And would you like to see the 1000ft Coal Ships delivering coal to the coal generating electric plant? And the dozers and equipment that they use to fill the piles for winter? Nothing clean about those ships and dozers and conveyors.

And, I own an EV. I did not buy because I would save the planet. I bought it because I have a use for a local vehicle, and the price was fantastic. No matter what is said, the recharging infrastructure in Michigan does not exist to use the vehicle on trips to Northern MI unless you have personal charging capability at your destination.
Edd505
Explorer
Sep 23, 2020
Me Again wrote:
Reisender wrote:
And when that happens I wouldn’t be surprised if ford is first to the plate.

You mean the ElecBoost Ford power train. I think we need a electrified 3rd rail or over head lines like trolleys use! Charge as you go!
free_radical
Explorer
Sep 23, 2020
philh wrote:
hook up my travel trailer, tow it from MI to FL and see who gets there first. Not permitted to set up charging stations ahead of time. I wouldn't be surprised to see the electric take a week to show up.

You know someone once said
Even if you win the rat race youre stil a rat :B

IOW
Some people like to take it easy when driving

Also
HOW much does FUEL cost ya as compare to using EV car or truck

Btw Tesla SChargers are stil free

Maybe you enjoy breathing exhaust fumes,have at it
philh
Explorer II
Sep 23, 2020
hook up my travel trailer, tow it from MI to FL and see who gets there first. Not permitted to set up charging stations ahead of time. I wouldn't be surprised to see the electric take a week to show up.
Reisender
Nomad
Sep 23, 2020
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
The article you linked to says 9%. You said 15%? 9% is a whole lot different than 15%. Which is it?

As i mentioned the link provided is for 2019. Google the 2020 numbers and you’ll see the estimates for 2020.( the year isn’t over). Some higher than 15 some lower. Depends if they were written pre or post pandemic. Happy googling.

So you're stating things that didn't even happen yet? :S :S :R :R

From what I Googled EV sales have dropped in 2020 not increased.

Heh heh. There ya go. Go with that. :).
Turtle_n_Peeps
Explorer
Sep 23, 2020
Reisender wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
The article you linked to says 9%. You said 15%? 9% is a whole lot different than 15%. Which is it?

As i mentioned the link provided is for 2019. Google the 2020 numbers and you’ll see the estimates for 2020.( the year isn’t over). Some higher than 15 some lower. Depends if they were written pre or post pandemic. Happy googling.

So you're stating things that didn't even happen yet? :S :S :R :R

From what I Googled EV sales have dropped in 2020 not increased.
Reisender
Nomad
Sep 22, 2020
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
The article you linked to says 9%. You said 15%? 9% is a whole lot different than 15%. Which is it?

As i mentioned the link provided is for 2019. Google the 2020 numbers and you’ll see the estimates for 2020.( the year isn’t over). Some higher than 15 some lower. Depends if they were written pre or post pandemic. Happy googling.
Reisender
Nomad
Sep 22, 2020
valhalla360 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Reisender wrote:

So yes. I am including fuel costs in operating costs. Our Jeep wasn’t that bad for maintenance costs. Pretty good vehicle overall. And yah, our usage needs changed so although the cargo room was great in the SUV it wasn’t needed anymore. A Tesla model 3 is not a compact car though. They are actually quite roomy. And has two trunks. More of a mid size. So keeping it real there is some apples to oranges comparisons. Having said that for us the fuel costs went from around 170 to 25 bucks per month. And a heck of a lot more convenient.

So yah, it’s cheaper. Works for us. Not the right fit for everybody. One would have to analyze what they do and see what works. Obviously gas and electricity prices can move the needle a lot. Here it’s a no brainer. Which is why 15 percent of all new vehicles sold are Electric. When EV trucks are available that will easily double.

If an SUV is needed the model Y is a nice alternative to something like the Grand Cherokee.

Look it up, the Mod 3 is a compact car. That's not a bad thing if you need a compact car but it's wildly different from a full size SUV when you are doing a comparison. Particularly if you want to throw fuel costs into the mix.

Grand Cherokee is looking at somewhere around 16mpg. Your typical compact car is somewhere on the order of 30-35 mpg and the more efficiency focused models can push north of 40 mpg.

So re-run the numbers with a 40mpg car and that gap drops to more like $65 per month for fuel or about $40 savings...vs a substantial up front price difference to get the basic tesla.

This is a good example of where EV proponents get it wrong. They push obviously misleading comparisons and then they are shocked when people assume anything they say is intended to be misleading. Fuel is cheaper for EVs, so there is no reason to mislead over it.

PS: Where are you getting 15% of new car sales are battery EV's? I'm coming up with something like 1.9% (2019) in the US looking online at that's with heavy subsidization and they aren't providing details but articles say there has been a fall back in 2020 due to cheap gas prices

I looked it up. You are right. It’s a compact. Definetly a big compact though. Or maybe my garage is just small. :)

You misunderstood my post. I said that 15 percent of new car sales are electric in my province. Nothing about percentage of vehicles on the road. Last year it was 9 percent so it’s growing fast.

Cheers.

I didn't see where it mentioned province in your original comment...So it's a specific subset of data not representative of your country or larger market which is a much smaller percentage and largely still driven by govt support.

Plus as others mentioned, even that is overstating when you are looking at battery only.

PIH still makes far more sense for the vast majority of people unless you only need the car as a commuter car and have a full service vehicle for longer trips. There is no reason to believe this won't apply equally well if not more to pickups.

Yah you are right. My mistake. I tend not to be well informed on foreign markets. However I will disagree on your comment on needing a different vehicle for longer trips. Many of the EV’s do quite well on trips from 500 to 800 km trips. But then again, that comes back to what I consider a long trip. LOL. :). But yah, with those kind of distances it takes us no longer or shorter than when we drove ICE. And that kind of distance is all we do in a day. But that’s just us.

Of course this is all JMHO. :).

Cheers.
Turtle_n_Peeps
Explorer
Sep 22, 2020
The article you linked to says 9%. You said 15%? 9% is a whole lot different than 15%. Which is it?