Tesla Cybertuck - Can we take another thread?

jdc1 wrote:

NamMedevac 70 wrote:
The remote areas and small rural towns where I fish and camp have no EV charge stations so I am happy with my gasser trucks. YEP

Patience, Grasshopper. A conglomerate of corporations has been formed to build and install 50,000 charge stations starting now. This does not include the federal infrastructure plan to install tens of thousands more.

Thanks for the insult fish bait.

I spend most of my time fishing and camping in rural areas of the PNW with small towns so I really don't give a pokers chit about EVs. Happy camper here. I like talking fish adventures instead of arguing over EVs.

jdc1 wrote:

Lantley wrote:
I am not an EV fan boy. But I do reaize EV's are coming and will revolutionize the auto world.
All you need to do is drive a Tesla and you will understand.
If you have not driven a Tesla you most likely do not get it.
Driving a Tesla will have a game changing impact on how you view EV's
Drive a Tesla and you will be enlightened to the future of EV vehicles.
After the drive you will understand the "Not if but when" future of EV's.
The EV revolution has started.

Proven by the fact Ford and GM are all in starting 2035. Every major auto manufacture in the world is ramping up their EV research and development. Both GM and Ford have even started building their own battery plants.
One thing to look forward to are solid state batteries. 3 minute full charges with 600+ mile range. Batteries for industry use are looking toward saline batteries. This is exciting. Coal will become a thing of the past. Petroleum may always be a part of our lives, but not in the forms we are use to.

Doesn't prove anything. GM promised 20 new EV's in 2023. Wonder how that is going and when they will walk back that promise. But I forgot they are the EV leader according to the leader of the free world. Tesla is the only EV company in the US along with a bunch of Wanna bees so they can boost their stock prices. Talk is cheap. I really don't understand why Washington today treats Tesla so poorly.

JRscooby wrote:
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First, ever look into the history of rural electrification? Cable companies, including Bell system?

Second, have you ever lived with somebody with breathing issues? Bet you ask anybody that has they would tell you they would spend all their money for the ability to breathe. But powers that be want us to worry more about the debt we are passing on than the air we are passing on...

Mostly agree ! Part of that ‘infrastructure’ portion is to get power/communications/etc to the more rural areas, which includes roads/bridges/etc. in those areas

As most lobbyist’s & too many government legislators mainly pay attention to the bottom line…AKA Money based metrics or pure capitalistic metrics

There isn’t enough money in it to take care of the very, very small numbers that are in need as you state…and…there are more small pockets of disadvantaged.

Like my incurable non-Hodgkins lymphoma cancer (Waldenström’s Macroglobulinemia).

Only 1K-1.5K are diagnosed with it per year in America. So the Pharma’s don’t budget for research…unless someone with mega bucks donates & demands some research starts (yup, there are now a few)

Plus, they are not all very poor…some might be very rich, but sick.

To the PM about comment on ‘monster wiper’…most looking at that picture also fall into the same vision as the designers of that ‘monster wiper blade’

It does not need to be that big, but am assuming they wanted to follow the glass area and for a ‘cool look’….

All it has to be is a few inches higher than the drivers forehead. So it can wipe clean enough glass to look up at road signs.

And not down to the bottom of the glass, but just above to the point of wiping clean the drivers vision over the hood.

Swept area should be from vertical on the left to almost horizontal on the right side of the sweep.

Not two wipers. The passenger doesn’t need to have a wiper. Just the driver, though it would be nice to have one for the passenger if possible.

‘Looks’, IMHO, will drive their decision on that.

How they "electrify" these stretches will get interesting, Gas can be 150 or more miles.
Nevada
a few more in the US. US
And for the Canadians mixed batch
Vehicles needing gas or diesel have used these routes for a century or so, and it's still that far between stations, and you expect closer major electric facilities closer together?
How long is your extension cord?

Durb wrote:
I'm a little unclear. Do electric charging stations advertise their kilowatt hour pricing? Is it less expensive at one station than another like the competitive situation among gas stations? Once the government and a few corporations own all sources of recharge capability, the prices will skyrocket.

My impression is the reason vehicle manufacturers are going BEV is due to states like California and Washington who are outlawing ICE sales and mandating electric. A mandate is seldom the best solution.

I'll comment on the Cybertruck when I see one.

Yes, except the pricing and conditions are on an App.

Manufacturers are building EV’s because customers took a test drive in one and can’t get rid of their gas burners fast enough. In 15 years you either build EV’s or you are out of business.

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
I like the "walk before we run" approach.

Where are all the hybrids we should see as 'transitional' vehicles? If you hop in an ICE car with 1/4 tank of fuel, heading out on a 500-mile trip, you know gasoline will be available most anywhere.

Let's say it's a year from now -- and I need to head out on the same trip with a partially-charged EV . . . do I feel confident there will be a charging station just where and when I need it? Are these things going to spring up overnight, and be in every location I might need to go?

To wean me off ICE vehicles, start me out with a hybrid that gets 50mpg+ whether in town or on the highway, with a good EV range, and I'll be more ready to jump on this bandwagon. But for now, too much too soon might knock the wheels totally off of the aforementioned bandwagon! I don't see our country being anywhere near ready for this big transition to EV's.

Just my opinion . . . exactly like 100% of the other posts on this forum! :C

Depends where you live. I could start with a battery almost dead and head in any direction on a thousand kilometre trip and not worry. However, smart money is to charge at home the night before.

I like the "walk before we run" approach.

Where are all the hybrids we should see as 'transitional' vehicles? If you hop in an ICE car with 1/4 tank of fuel, heading out on a 500-mile trip, you know gasoline will be available most anywhere.

Let's say it's a year from now -- and I need to head out on the same trip with a partially-charged EV . . . do I feel confident there will be a charging station just where and when I need it? Are these things going to spring up overnight, and be in every location I might need to go?

To wean me off ICE vehicles, start me out with a hybrid that gets 50mpg+ whether in town or on the highway, with a good EV range, and I'll be more ready to jump on this bandwagon. But for now, too much too soon might knock the wheels totally off of the aforementioned bandwagon! I don't see our country being anywhere near ready for this big transition to EV's.

Just my opinion . . . exactly like 100% of the other posts on this forum! :C

fj12ryder wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

NamMedevac 70 wrote:
The remote areas and small rural towns where I fish and camp have no EV charge stations so I am happy with my gasser trucks. YEP

Patience, Grasshopper. A conglomerate of corporations has been formed to build and install 50,000 charge stations starting now. This does not include the federal infrastructure plan to install tens of thousands more.

That is what bothers me about the EV onset. Apparently there is no profit to be made from charging these EV's, and the government has to step in to put all these in place. Who is going to pay for the operation/replacement/maintenance, if they aren't profitable in the first place? Gas stations were profitable and built by the thousands, but charging stations are not, so the government has to get into the act?

First, ever look into the history of rural electrification? Cable companies, including Bell system?
Second, have you ever lived with somebody with breathing issues? Bet you ask anybody that has they would tell you they would spend all their money for the ability to breathe. But powers that be want us to worry more about the debt we are passing on than the air we are passing on...

Lantley wrote:
EV is taking over because it is a better mouetrap.

The ICE with all its complexity is no longer the best way to propel a vehicle. An EV has minimal moving parts. Again no fuel injection, cams, lifters, injectors you name it the EV DOES not need it. The simplicty is mind boggling. The engine compartment(HOOD) is now a front trunk!
The engine is gone! just think about that a few seconds... The engine as we know it is gone and this thing out accelerates anything we know of!
It's hard to comprehend the ICE is obsolete after all these years but this is wear technology has taken us.
Tesla was the first, but after examing what has been already achieved, all the other auto manufaturers from , Ford to GM to VW to Mercedes they are all lining up to be the 2nd.
Infrastructure will be put in place soon enough.
The cell phone revolution did not happen overnight, it took time to get sufficient infrastucture in place. But now we expect and for the most part have cell service in all develop areas world wide.
THe EV revolution is in its infancy. Give it time, it will make a believer out of everyone, one Tesla drive/experience at a time.

Well, I do take exception to this view that the EV is less complicated than an ICE. It's extremely complicated, but on the unseen scale. All those IC's are not simple, and are unfixable by almost anyone. Something breaks? Take it to a shop, or have the shop come to you, either way you won't be repairing it yourself.