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Mar 04, 2014

The STUPIDEST thing ever done by any OEM!!!



This has to be it. Washer nozzles in the hood. Whoever came up with this retarded idea should be FIRED!!! First it was the imports back in the 80's. Now every American OEM, GM, Ford and Chrysler has decided to use this idiot idea, even on some of their high end products like the Cadillac CTS, Ford super duty trucks as well as the Dodge Charger, just to name a few. What garbage.

Washer nozzles belong in one place, and one place only. ON THE WIPER ARM! Period. I had a 1978 Thunderbird that was this way. A design that was ahead of it's time. Ford had to go ruin it. My 1990 Ford E350 van has them on the wiper arms. For such an old van, someone was using their brain back then. My 2003 Cadillac Seville has them on the wiper arms. At least someone at GM cared enough to get it right on that car.

I hope the OEM's are reading this.

Rant over. Have a great day everyone. :)
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  • Me_Again's avatar
    Me_Again
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    Mar 04, 2014
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    Dog Folks wrote:
    I have long promoted the idea that a seasoned mechanic sit next to the engineers and advise. Not that engineers are dumb, but a mechanic sees things from the point of view of: "How much trouble is it going to be to fix?"

    Having that kine of input during the design phase could eliminate a lot of these problems.

    Dumbest I have seen? In the 60's, Dodge Dart with a slant six cylinder engine.

    You have to remove the whole air filter assembly to access the dipstick and check the oil.


    Do you know how many miles the larger 225 slant six motor was good for?

    It had steel cylinders pressed into the base of the block with complete and even 360 degree cooling of the cylinder. The head held the top of the cylinder in place. They lasted hundreds of thousands of miles.

    Chris
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    Mvander
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    Mar 04, 2014
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    How bout any system that makes me scroll through a menu on a touch screen to change the damn temprature. What exactly is wrong with a knob.
  • mowermech's avatar
    mowermech
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    Mar 04, 2014
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    Come to think of it, the dumbest thing EVER is vehicles that are NOT built to be used in snow!
    Doors, that no matter how carefully you brush the snow off, will dump snow on the seat when they are opened!
    Heater air intakes at the bottom of the windshield, so that they get filled with snow and ice.
    Vehicles that the Owners Manual states tire chains must not be used!
    In all my years of making a living with a wrench in my hand, whether I was working on vehicles, aircraft, or lawn and garden equipment, my fondest wish was that ALL those who were being educated to be design engineers had to spend their summers working on whatever they were going to design, so they would have a hands-on feel for the maintenance problems that were designed into the unit!
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    Turtle_n_Peeps
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    Mar 04, 2014
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    I have to disagree with the OP. Not even close in my mind. Probably not in the top 100 for the things I have seen.

    Not in any order:

    4 head bolts/ cylinder on a diesel engine. :R

    Running iron rings on an aluminum cylinder bore. :R

    (already been said and I agree) In tank fuel pumps. :R

    Starters built into the valley of a V engine. :R

    Trying to make a gasoline engine into a diesel. :R

    And why does the sheet metal in GM cars and trucks have to be sharpened to a razors edge? I have shaved with razors that have a duller edge then some GM sheet metal! :M
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    Dog_Folks
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    Jack_Diane_Freedom wrote:
    Dog Folks, cars and trucks are not build for ease of repair, they are built for more efficient and reduced cost assembly going down the line. Ever changed out an exhaust system. One piece from front to back.


    Good Point. I certainty can understand that, but who eventually pays for this reduced cost at the assembly line? The consumer in the way of increased repair expenses.

    I would rather pay a little more, and have it right from the get go.

    Yes, the exhaust systems have evolved. Today they are almost trouble free. In the "olden" days, the exhaust pipe and muffler section was the largest, physically and financially, section in an auto parts store. Today, it is minor or non existent.

    But, then again, I am just an old gear head that stopped working on cars when they became computerized!
  • Jack_Diane_Free's avatar
    Jack_Diane_Free
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    Dog Folks, cars and trucks are not build for ease of repair, they are built for more efficient and reduced cost assembly going down the line. Ever changed out an exhaust system. One piece from front to back.
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    Dog_Folks
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    Mar 04, 2014
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    I have long promoted the idea that a seasoned mechanic sit next to the engineers and advise. Not that engineers are dumb, but a mechanic sees things from the point of view of: "How much trouble is it going to be to fix?"

    Having that kine of input during the design phase could eliminate a lot of these problems.

    Dumbest I have seen? In the 60's, Dodge Dart with a slant six cylinder engine.

    You have to remove the whole air filter assembly to access the dipstick and check the oil.
  • dbear's avatar
    dbear
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    Mar 04, 2014
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    My biggest peeve is that designers seem to have lost the ability to place defroster/deicer vents and wiper blades in optimum proximity to each other to actually prevent ice buildup on said blades. Seems like they're all focused on how it looks, rather than how it works.

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This has to be it. Washer nozzles in the hood. Whoever came up with this retarded idea should be FIRED!!! First it was the imports back in the 80's. Now every American OEM, GM, Ford and Chrysler has decided to use this idiot idea, even on some of their high end products like the Cadillac CTS, Ford super duty trucks as well as the Dodge Charger, just to name a few. What garbage.

Washer nozzles belong in one place, and one place only. ON THE WIPER ARM! Period. I had a 1978 Thunderbird that was this way. A design that was ahead of it's time. Ford had to go ruin it. My 1990 Ford E350 van has them on the wiper arms. For such an old van, someone was using their brain back then. My 2003 Cadillac Seville has them on the wiper arms. At least someone at GM cared enough to get it right on that car.

I hope the OEM's are reading this.

Rant over. Have a great day everyone. :)","body@stringLength":"1098","rawBody":"

This has to be it. Washer nozzles in the hood. Whoever came up with this retarded idea should be FIRED!!! First it was the imports back in the 80's. Now every American OEM, GM, Ford and Chrysler has decided to use this idiot idea, even on some of their high end products like the Cadillac CTS, Ford super duty trucks as well as the Dodge Charger, just to name a few. What garbage.

Washer nozzles belong in one place, and one place only. ON THE WIPER ARM! Period. I had a 1978 Thunderbird that was this way. A design that was ahead of it's time. Ford had to go ruin it. My 1990 Ford E350 van has them on the wiper arms. For such an old van, someone was using their brain back then. My 2003 Cadillac Seville has them on the wiper arms. At least someone at GM cared enough to get it right on that car.

I hope the OEM's are reading this.

Rant over. Have a great day everyone. :)","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2014-03-03T23:22:12.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:Tow Vehicles","text":"Tow Vehicles","time":"2007-11-11T19:40:46.000-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1084549_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":10943},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"This has to be it. 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Dog Folks wrote:
I have long promoted the idea that a seasoned mechanic sit next to the engineers and advise. Not that engineers are dumb, but a mechanic sees things from the point of view of: \"How much trouble is it going to be to fix?\"

Having that kine of input during the design phase could eliminate a lot of these problems.

Dumbest I have seen? In the 60's, Dodge Dart with a slant six cylinder engine.

You have to remove the whole air filter assembly to access the dipstick and check the oil.


Do you know how many miles the larger 225 slant six motor was good for?

It had steel cylinders pressed into the base of the block with complete and even 360 degree cooling of the cylinder. The head held the top of the cylinder in place. They lasted hundreds of thousands of miles.

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Dog Folks wrote:
I have long promoted the idea that a seasoned mechanic sit next to the engineers and advise. Not that engineers are dumb, but a mechanic sees things from the point of view of: \"How much trouble is it going to be to fix?\"

Having that kine of input during the design phase could eliminate a lot of these problems.

Dumbest I have seen? In the 60's, Dodge Dart with a slant six cylinder engine.

You have to remove the whole air filter assembly to access the dipstick and check the oil.


Do you know how many miles the larger 225 slant six motor was good for?

It had steel cylinders pressed into the base of the block with complete and even 360 degree cooling of the cylinder. The head held the top of the cylinder in place. They lasted hundreds of thousands of miles.

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Doors, that no matter how carefully you brush the snow off, will dump snow on the seat when they are opened!
Heater air intakes at the bottom of the windshield, so that they get filled with snow and ice.
Vehicles that the Owners Manual states tire chains must not be used!
In all my years of making a living with a wrench in my hand, whether I was working on vehicles, aircraft, or lawn and garden equipment, my fondest wish was that ALL those who were being educated to be design engineers had to spend their summers working on whatever they were going to design, so they would have a hands-on feel for the maintenance problems that were designed into the unit!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-03-04T08:26:17.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-03-04T08:26:17.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":168},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1084549/message:1084583","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"777","rawBody":"Come to think of it, the dumbest thing EVER is vehicles that are NOT built to be used in snow!
Doors, that no matter how carefully you brush the snow off, will dump snow on the seat when they are opened!
Heater air intakes at the bottom of the windshield, so that they get filled with snow and ice.
Vehicles that the Owners Manual states tire chains must not be used!
In all my years of making a living with a wrench in my hand, whether I was working on vehicles, aircraft, or lawn and garden equipment, my fondest wish was that ALL those who were being educated to be design engineers had to spend their summers working on whatever they were going to design, so they would have a hands-on feel for the maintenance problems that were designed into the unit!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1084583_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1084582":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1084582","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1084582":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:88063"},"id":"message:1084582","revisionNum":1,"uid":1084582,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1084549"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1084549"},"subject":"Re: The STUPIDEST thing ever done by any OEM!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1084582"},"body":"I have to disagree with the OP. Not even close in my mind. Probably not in the top 100 for the things I have seen.

Not in any order:

4 head bolts/ cylinder on a diesel engine. :R

Running iron rings on an aluminum cylinder bore. :R

(already been said and I agree) In tank fuel pumps. :R

Starters built into the valley of a V engine. :R

Trying to make a gasoline engine into a diesel. :R

And why does the sheet metal in GM cars and trucks have to be sharpened to a razors edge? I have shaved with razors that have a duller edge then some GM sheet metal! :M","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-03-04T07:55:07.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-03-04T07:55:07.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":168},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1084549/message:1084582","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"632","rawBody":"I have to disagree with the OP. Not even close in my mind. Probably not in the top 100 for the things I have seen.

Not in any order:

4 head bolts/ cylinder on a diesel engine. :R

Running iron rings on an aluminum cylinder bore. :R

(already been said and I agree) In tank fuel pumps. :R

Starters built into the valley of a V engine. :R

Trying to make a gasoline engine into a diesel. :R

And why does the sheet metal in GM cars and trucks have to be sharpened to a razors edge? I have shaved with razors that have a duller edge then some GM sheet metal! :M","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1084582_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:359707":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:359707","uid":359707,"login":"Dog_Folks","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-11-09T12:05:07.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:359707"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1084581":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1084581","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1084581":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:359707"},"id":"message:1084581","revisionNum":1,"uid":1084581,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1084549"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1084549"},"subject":"Re: The STUPIDEST thing ever done by any OEM!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1084581"},"body":"
Jack_Diane_Freedom wrote:
Dog Folks, cars and trucks are not build for ease of repair, they are built for more efficient and reduced cost assembly going down the line. Ever changed out an exhaust system. One piece from front to back.


Good Point. I certainty can understand that, but who eventually pays for this reduced cost at the assembly line? The consumer in the way of increased repair expenses.

I would rather pay a little more, and have it right from the get go.

Yes, the exhaust systems have evolved. Today they are almost trouble free. In the \"olden\" days, the exhaust pipe and muffler section was the largest, physically and financially, section in an auto parts store. Today, it is minor or non existent.

But, then again, I am just an old gear head that stopped working on cars when they became computerized!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-03-04T07:41:24.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-03-04T07:41:24.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":168},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1084549/message:1084581","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"900","rawBody":"
Jack_Diane_Freedom wrote:
Dog Folks, cars and trucks are not build for ease of repair, they are built for more efficient and reduced cost assembly going down the line. Ever changed out an exhaust system. One piece from front to back.


Good Point. I certainty can understand that, but who eventually pays for this reduced cost at the assembly line? The consumer in the way of increased repair expenses.

I would rather pay a little more, and have it right from the get go.

Yes, the exhaust systems have evolved. Today they are almost trouble free. In the \"olden\" days, the exhaust pipe and muffler section was the largest, physically and financially, section in an auto parts store. Today, it is minor or non existent.

But, then again, I am just an old gear head that stopped working on cars when they became computerized!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1084581_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:184473":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:184473","uid":184473,"login":"Jack_Diane_Free","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-05-11T05:10:15.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:184473"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1084580":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1084580","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1084580":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:184473"},"id":"message:1084580","revisionNum":1,"uid":1084580,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1084549"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1084549"},"subject":"Re: The STUPIDEST thing ever done by any OEM!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1084580"},"body":"Dog Folks, cars and trucks are not build for ease of repair, they are built for more efficient and reduced cost assembly going down the line. 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Not that engineers are dumb, but a mechanic sees things from the point of view of: \"How much trouble is it going to be to fix?\"

Having that kine of input during the design phase could eliminate a lot of these problems.

Dumbest I have seen? In the 60's, Dodge Dart with a slant six cylinder engine.

You have to remove the whole air filter assembly to access the dipstick and check the oil.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-03-04T07:11:34.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-03-04T07:11:34.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":168},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1084549/message:1084578","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"519","rawBody":"I have long promoted the idea that a seasoned mechanic sit next to the engineers and advise. Not that engineers are dumb, but a mechanic sees things from the point of view of: \"How much trouble is it going to be to fix?\"

Having that kine of input during the design phase could eliminate a lot of these problems.

Dumbest I have seen? In the 60's, Dodge Dart with a slant six cylinder engine.

You have to remove the whole air filter assembly to access the dipstick and check the oil.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1084578_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:71":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:71","uid":71,"login":"fla-gypsy","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-04-19T19:22:32.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:71"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1084577":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1084577","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1084577":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:71"},"id":"message:1084577","revisionNum":1,"uid":1084577,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1084549"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1084549"},"subject":"Re: The STUPIDEST thing ever done by any OEM!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1084577"},"body":"Dumbest thing ever? Not even close. Fuel pump inside the tank, now that is in my top 5.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"87","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-03-04T06:38:21.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-03-04T06:38:21.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":168},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1084549/message:1084577","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"87","rawBody":"Dumbest thing ever? Not even close. 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