Towing above 65

jaycocreek wrote:
If you read back in my post you will see I said that coming up the hill that both came up just prior to the accident, there was a passing lane aka two lanes going the same direction. The scene is just out of the two lanes where the travel trailer was trying to pass an excellent ting semi truck,in other words, shortly before the accident the travel trailer was in a two lane road then tried to pass in which he would have to excellerate with everything that pickup had to make it.

He was in a two lane in the beginning then ran out of two lanes to a single lane on a steep downgrade. You can disagree all you want, there is absolutely no way that what the travel trailer guy was trying to do without speeding.

I've been on that stretch hundreds of times, heck, I live 14 miles from the scene.

No need to get smart fella. I don't know the area, I was asking. Kinda curious why you would post a picture that has no relevance to your story.

I've never argued that he WASN'T speeding. We don't know the speed. You don't know the speed, I don't know the speed. I would be willing to bet the investigating officers don't know a speed either. Based upon the totality of everything you stated, I have no reason to doubt he WAS speeding.

You keep glossing over my comments that at 65 mph, 60 mph, 55 mph, potentially even slower, this collision still occurs because of DRIVER ERROR.

Just because you wreck while speeding does NOT therefore infer that speeding was the cause of the wreck.

Drag racing cars routinely speed up to 250+ miles per hour. The speed doesn't make them wreck. When something else happens (driver error or mechanical failure) they crash. The crash was NOT caused by the speed, even though they were speeding. Does that make sense?

I don't know how else to explain this to you. Just because you are speeding simply does not mean that your speeding caused the crash.

By the way, that picture you posted seems to show it is a 2 lane highway, one lane each direction. Is that accurate? Did the pickup driver cross a double yellow line to die?

If you read back in my post you will see I said that coming up the hill that both came up just prior to the accident, there was a passing lane aka two lanes going the same direction. The scene is just out of the two lanes where the travel trailer was trying to pass an excellent ting semi truck,in other words, shortly before the accident the travel trailer was in a two lane road then tried to pass in which he would have to excellerate with everything that pickup had to make it.

He was in a two lane in the beginning then ran out of two lanes to a single lane on a steep downgrade. You can disagree all you want, there is absolutely no way that what the travel trailer guy was trying to do without speeding.

I've been on that stretch hundreds of times, heck, I live 14 miles from the scene.

hawkeye-08 wrote:
Sorry, I was not preparing for court, just commenting that there might be a record (as opposed to driver looking at speedometer) in some cases since some GPSs (just my personal experience) can record trips.

I asked for PROOF. You, much like jaycocreek, did not provide something that rises to the level of proof. If you aren't happy with the parameters of my question, I don't think you had any obligation to answer. Since you made an un-coerced decision to respond, I felt the need to explain why it wasn't proof.

hawkeye-08 wrote:
Did someone forget to take their meds? WHY are you upset at ME? If you READ carefully, you will notice that I did not agree or disagree with Jaycocreek's position, just that I have experienced trying to say something and folks not getting it and going off on a tangent, LIKE you did. Aw, Bless you.

You sure gave the appearance of agreeing with him "Well done. jaycocreek". Then you sure gave the impression that anyone not agreeing with his line of thought simply "didn't get it".

Perhaps I am reading it completely wrong, and if that is the case I will certainly apologize.

However, it sure seems like you agree with him and think that I am some guy who "doesn't get it". If that is the case, I wholeheartedly stand by my comments.

jaycocreek wrote:
Spoon

But the fact you keep forgetting, the speed was a 65 mph zone and you can bet the farm the trucker was doing all of that to tackle the upcoming grade while the RV driver was trying to pass, pulling a travel trailer, an excellerating semi.

Driver error.. Yes

Speed.... Yes

The guy pulling the trailer was hauling tail trying to get around the trucker. Period

Speed had as much to do with this accident as his tire brand. There is no proof that he had a tire failure, and there is no proof that his speed caused the wreck. By your own admission, he failed to clear the overtaken vehicle before merging back in front. Speed is irrelevant. I don't know why you don't understand that. You say the speed limit was 65. Even if he was doing 60 in a 65 (something I think you would agree is a "safe" speed) and he made that bone headed mistake, the results would likely have been the same. 55 instead of 65... results likely the same.

SPEED IS IRRELEVANT if he struck the semi and lost control, went down an embankment and flipped. I would be willing to bet that even at 45 mph, that is very likely a fatal collision for an older person.

Driver error, sure sounds like it.

Speed a factor... I haven't heard or seen one iota of truth to sustain that allegation.

By the way, that picture you posted seems to show it is a 2 lane highway, one lane each direction. Is that accurate? Did the pickup driver cross a double yellow line to die?

On Edit... no need to stoop down to your level, initial comments retracted.

spoon059 wrote:

hawkeye-08 wrote:
Well done, Jaycocreek. I have experienced this at times myself. No matter what you write or say, some folks just don't get it.

I think that he has clearly given factual proof that SPEED wasn't the causation of the wreck. DRIVER ERROR was.

But you are right... no matter what he writes, some folks just don't get it. Unfortunately, YOU are the one not getting it right now. Sorry...

Did someone forget to take their meds? WHY are you upset at ME? If you READ carefully, you will notice that I did not agree or disagree with Jaycocreek's position, just that I have experienced trying to say something and folks not getting it and going off on a tangent, LIKE you did. Aw, Bless you.

spoon059 wrote:

hawkeye-08 wrote:
If I am running my GPS (following route, not just displaying map), it logs my route, speed, elevation and I can play that back.

How accurate is GPS? I know for a FACT that the GPS in my cruiser (which is a VERY expensive unit and one of the most accurate we could buy at the time) is accurate within something like 80 feet. Being off by 80 feet at any point in time could seriously skew the numbers. As a result, speeds measured by GPS units are not certified in courts of Maryland. Might be different in your jurisdiction, but it is no where near exact enough to be entered into evidence as fact in Maryland.

Sorry, I was not preparing for court, just commenting that there might be a record (as opposed to driver looking at speedometer) in some cases since some GPSs (just my personal experience) can record trips. I did not recall this occurring in Maryland, sorry. Sorry your GPS is so inaccurate, did not mean to upset you. Mine is cheap and works great, shows me very close in location, speed is spot on with speedometer which I have checked over 5 mile certified stretch. I know there are hot rod speedometers you can buy that work on GPS only and are legal, so some units work just fine. Again, very sorry to upset you, have a nice day.

Speed was involved pure and simple. You can't pass a semi going the speed limit pulling a travel trailer without speeding! Speed was involved because he was trying to pass in a 65 mph zone on a two lane road.

jaycocreek wrote:
Spoon

For an active officer and or detective, you sure like to engage people on a public Internet unlike any I have personally known State /County and City officers, retired and active. As if the police don't have enough black eyes as of late!

But the fact you keep forgetting, the speed was a 65 mph zone and you can bet the farm the trucker was doing all of that to tackle the upcoming grade while the RV driver was trying to pass, pulling a travel trailer, an excellerating semi.

Driver error.. Yes

Speed.... Yes

The guy pulling the trailer was hauling tail trying to get around the trucker. Period

And pulled over BEFORE CLEARING front end of Semi.....causing the wreck. Not that he was speeding and wrecked.

Spoon

For an active officer and or detective, you sure like to engage people on a public Internet unlike any I have personally known State /County and City officers, retired and active. As if the police don't have enough black eyes as of late!

But the fact you keep forgetting, the speed was a 65 mph zone and you can bet the farm the trucker was doing all of that to tackle the upcoming grade while the RV driver was trying to pass, pulling a travel trailer, an excellerating semi.

Driver error.. Yes

Speed.... Yes

The guy pulling the trailer was hauling tail trying to get around the trucker. Period

hawkeye-08 wrote:
Well done, Jaycocreek. I have experienced this at times myself. No matter what you write or say, some folks just don't get it.

I think that he has clearly given factual proof that SPEED wasn't the causation of the wreck. DRIVER ERROR was.

But you are right... no matter what he writes, some folks just don't get it. Unfortunately, YOU are the one not getting it right now. Sorry...