Toyota Diesel

Raften wrote:
I don't think payload is what they are aiming for.

OK- I get it. The market are for those who want a diesel for a grocery getter.

That makes as much sense as selling ice cubes at the North Pole!

CKNSLS wrote:

Raften wrote:
I don't think payload is what they are aiming for.

OK- I get it. The market are for those who want a diesel for a grocery getter.

That makes as much sense as selling ice cubes at the North Pole!

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The vast majority of 1500 series trucks are not used to haul heavy loads. They are a glorified sedan, mainly used for commuting and Home Depot runs occasionally on the weekends. MPG is what this is about - both for marketing as well as CAFE purposes.

As far as RAM goes, the 3.0 VM engine has been receiving great reviews in regards to MPG. That said, if the Cummins has similar numbers and is cost equivalent, I would say that RAM made a mistake not going with that engine.

dadwolf2 wrote:

JumboJet wrote:
Nissan Titan and Toyota Tundra each getting the 5.0 L Cummins. Either of those will make nice tow vehicles for small to midsize travel trailers and 5th wheels.

Too bad the RAM 1500 is only getting the 3.2 Liter Cummins.

Actually it's not a 3.2L Cummins, it's an Italian firm VM Motori engine.

Thanks - I actually should have known that after reading the news about the 1500 several times.

I maintain an Acme Motori 2 Cylinder diesel engine powered generator for my neighbor.

What was I thinking? :h

CKNSLS wrote:

Raften wrote:
I don't think payload is what they are aiming for.

OK- I get it. The market are for those who want a diesel for a grocery getter.

That makes as much sense as selling ice cubes at the North Pole!

I don't think you do get it. Might depend on where you live but around here the area is full of half tons hauling construction and service stuff. SO, I talked to the head guy doing some remodeling on the house. He said he drives as much as 200 miles a day checking on his crews and taking tools and supplies back and forth. He said he would welcome a diesel for the reasons I have stated above. He also mentioned the torque advantage getting on a freeway pulling say a cement pumper or heavy load of drywall.

805gregg wrote:
They are 25 years late to the diesel party

Actually Toyota has had a diesel motor option in trucks since the early 80`s , before Dodge
Saw one at a gas station a few years ago , kinda wanted it

Will they ever haul a self contained truck camper?

I see an awful lot of empty 1/2 ton trucks on the road... most don't look like anything has ever scratched the paint in their beds.

There are a lot of them in my neighborhood that aren't used for work... jacked up, oversize or expensive pretty wheels, fancy flaps (mud flaps that is) special exhausts to make them loud, chips, etc.

Their owners had a piece of cardboard hitting the spokes of their bicycle wheels when they were children... and tassels on their handle bars...

As adults some of these people have laser lights and LEDs on their bicycles and wear special racing cloths to ride around the neighborhoods.... extended childhood

Wanta bees...

in my opinion...

A large portion of the little diesel trucks that the OP mentiond will end up as pimped up and nearly usless except for groceries or hauling a couple of gallons of gasoline for the lawnmower

Where they will excell is driving round and round the Sonic Dirive In.... and rumbling through the neigborhood empty.

And at what cost?

Raften wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

Raften wrote:
I don't think payload is what they are aiming for.

OK- I get it. The market are for those who want a diesel for a grocery getter.

That makes as much sense as selling ice cubes at the North Pole!

I don't think you do get it. Might depend on where you live but around here the area is full of half tons hauling construction and service stuff. SO, I talked to the head guy doing some remodeling on the house. He said he drives as much as 200 miles a day checking on his crews and taking tools and supplies back and forth. He said he would welcome a diesel for the reasons I have stated above. He also mentioned the torque advantage getting on a freeway pulling say a cement pumper or heavy load of drywall.

Also theres the longevity of a diesel motor , for someone like this
Might get 500k miles or more in the motor , coupled with Toyota . Thats going to be hard to beat. Camper hauling excluded

sleepy wrote:
Will they ever haul a self contained truck camper?

I see an awful lot of empty 1/2 ton trucks on the road... most don't look like anything has ever scratched the paint in their beds.

There are a lot of them in my neighborhood that aren't used for work... jacked up, oversize or expensive pretty wheels, fancy flaps (mud flaps that is) special exhausts to make them loud, chips, etc.

Their owners had a piece of cardboard hitting the spokes of their bicycle wheels when they were children... and tassels on their handle bars...

As adults some of these people have laser lights and LEDs on their bicycles and wear special racing cloths to ride around the neighborhoods.... extended childhood

Wanta bees...

in my opinion...

A large portion of the little diesel trucks that the OP mentiond will end up as pimped up and nearly usless except for groceries or hauling a couple of gallons of gasoline for the lawnmower

Where they will excell is driving round and round the Sonic Dirive In.... and rumbling through the neigborhood empty.

And at what cost?

Different strokes for different folks
Some crowds like lift kits and driving into every mud puddle they can find , I dont get it , but what ever drives the economy
Some probably dont get having a TC

The cost is , more diesels in the USA , better or worse ?
A few years ago when imports started using more diesel motors I heard it would bring down the cost of diesel . I havent seen that
Now CA has "smog tests" for diesel, and we lost most of the cetane in our diesel
I have a grocery getter VW diesel car , if I needed a light duty truck I might get a diesel Toyota
Its for sure when those trucks come out its going to spike the "will my truck haul this camper " thread count

I'm assuming that both Toyota and Nissan will up their ratings by going diesel. They could easily get into the 250/2500 range of trucks and steal a bunch of sales from the big three. Seeing more Tundra's on job sites the last few years.

For us consumers competition is great!

okan-star wrote:
The cost is , more diesels in the USA , better or worse ?
A few years ago when imports started using more diesel motors I heard it would bring down the cost of diesel . I havent seen that
Now CA has "smog tests" for diesel, and we lost most of the cetane in our diesel

Not the case in Australia. Diesel is not an "economy" option in Australia. Payloads are up to 3000lbs.
This Asian sourced 3.2 diesel Pickup is part of a package for a Forest River Heartland 5th Wheeler 32ft long. Slow? Speed Limit is 70mph..in other words..you do not get below 70mph on freeways outside of major cities, 120kph (75mph)is the maxiumum set speed, Overtaking over 80mph.
3.2 litre Diesel pulling 32ft 5ver.