Toyota tundra?

kmfvfr wrote:

pappcam wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the OP's assertion that a Tundra is a 3/4 ton truck.:h

BINGO...I already asked that. And I own a 2007 Tundra with the 5.7L....

Maybe they are being literal?

In the sense that...

1 ton = 2000lb
3/4 ton = 1500lb
1/2 ton = 1000lb

Without taking the time to do the research, certain configurations of the Tundra (like 2wd, non crew cab) might offer payloads in the 1500lb neighborhood.

pappcam wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the OP's assertion that a Tundra is a 3/4 ton truck.:h

BINGO...I already asked that. And I own a 2007 Tundra with the 5.7L....

I'm still trying to figure out the OP's assertion that a Tundra is a 3/4 ton truck.:h

The SAE towing standard does not adequately address RV towing for half tons IMO. It is primarily an acceleration/power/gearing limited test. How much weight can it tow while accelerating to XX speed in under YY seconds. How many people ever use WOT? I do, but I know I am in the minority. Most people never see north of 4000rpm in a gas engine. How well the TV holds speeds up hills after using much of it's power just to maintain 65mph? How does it handle a 10k RV with 1400 pounds of TW?

The Tundra is a good truck. The engine/trans/gearing are strong, near the top in the half ton class. But it suffers from having less than average payload.

Garyalexander!
Thank you so much for the link! It's great to hear from a Toyota owner. I think the biggest engine with the tow package will be fine according to my calculations of late. I'll let you know! If you have other advice please email me at marianne2428@yahoo.com I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

garyalexander wrote:
I don't blame you for wanting to buy a Toyota - I'm on my 4th and they have been flawless but - I don't think you can. The tow rating posted by Toyota for the biggest V8 is 9900lbs with the tow package. You're not going to get there. But keep this in mind when your shopping for your rig: There is a standard called SAE J2807 that manufacturers are suppose to use for setting the tow ratings - it appears only Toyota is telling the truth. I'll post a link below and you can do your own research.

I can tell you I bought a Toyota Tundra with the smaller V8 because it had a tow rating (with tow package) of 8100#'s. My trailer, loaded and ready to go probably max's out at 6000's (dry weight 4800#'s) I've been over some steep, windy stuff and the truck has done great. I have faith in the Toyota ratings - better check the others closely before you buy. Good luck

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2013/163_news130410_j2807_truck_towing_standard/

There are many,many ultra lights that the Tundra could tow with out an issue. There are VAST CHOICES!

I don't blame you for wanting to buy a Toyota - I'm on my 4th and they have been flawless but - I don't think you can. The tow rating posted by Toyota for the biggest V8 is 9900lbs with the tow package. You're not going to get there. But keep this in mind when your shopping for your rig: There is a standard called SAE J2807 that manufacturers are suppose to use for setting the tow ratings - it appears only Toyota is telling the truth. I'll post a link below and you can do your own research.

I can tell you I bought a Toyota Tundra with the smaller V8 because it had a tow rating (with tow package) of 8100#'s. My trailer, loaded and ready to go probably max's out at 6000's (dry weight 4800#'s) I've been over some steep, windy stuff and the truck has done great. I have faith in the Toyota ratings - better check the others closely before you buy. Good luck

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2013/163_news130410_j2807_truck_towing_standard/

I will say that after owning several 1/2 tons and 2, 3/4 tons that my latest GMC has a really nice ride despite being an HD truck. In fact and call me crazy but I like the ride quality better on this new truck verse my 01 Chevy 1500. I don't agree about gas 3/4 ton trucks not being able to do much better then the 1/2 ton because of the extra 1900lbs. In my experience the 6.0 will out perform the 5.3 any day. I have owned both and have pulled the same trailers with both. My 6.0 despite being heavier out pulled the 5.3 on the hills easily. The problem that I see is simply an issue with payload on 1/2 ton trucks. They claim to pull 10,000 lbs but what about payload?. That's always going to be an issue despite manufactures putting in small Diesel engines or boosted engines in 1/2 tons. I realize Ford offers an HD package but most others do not. But most 1/2 tons run short on payload period despite the marketing hype. Most likely culprits are huge wheel/ tire combos and a******load of options that really add up. But the normal consumer only sees the commercial of the advertised HP and TQ numbers along with this 1/2 ton hauling major wieght. It's like my BIL who bought the new 2011 Ford F150... 4x4 max tow or something such as that, crew cab all options and those huge tires. Only to find out within the year,the payload came up way to short.., hence the next day an F250 gas job found its home in the driveway. So you buy what ya need is my thought, not bashing any truck, or person, because even my truck runs out of payload much faster then a 1 ton. I just don't know how manufactures can get by with some of the commercials their advertising.

BenK wrote:
Ride quality is so subjective...

I commuted for about six years in my 3/4 ton Suburban. OEM shocks to Edeclbrock
IAS shocks (List $150/ea) and now MonoMax. Think of performance level shocks. Also
commuted on the same route for about a year with my C10 Chevy (half ton) before
getting the Sub

Depending which office (I had five concurrently) and the difference
campuses one way ranged from ~35 miles to +45 miles. In heavy commuter
traffic that ran from dead stop and go, to 35 MPH, to pushing 75 MPH
bursts between the groups trying to get past blockers/accidents/etc

When on the freeway, can't tell the difference between my 8.6K GVWR vs the half
ton's 7.4K GVWR

Took mom and dad (he has had 2 back operations...last one fused two
together) to Disney Land with their grand kids. Had 8 adults and
the rear section & roof rack stuffed with luggage (some from the other
cars in the caravan). Dad is a Buick and Caddy guy. He commented how
there was no difference riding in my Sub from his Caddy...didn't tell
him we were cruise at +85MPH on Highway 5... Had the IAS's then

Rough roads, yes of course, but then I don't like the floaty and uncontrolled
softness.

But then I'm a boy racer at heart with ride quality not even on my 'have to have'
list, but towards the bottom of my 'nice to have' list

OBTW, I also own a half ton Chevy C10 Silverado. Dad had me order it for his
and mom's small grocery/butcher shop. Insisted on a 'half ton' for the ride
quality for his commute.

Then complained about bottoming out when hauling canned goods from the warehouse,
or the produce market, or any of the wholesale distributors

He stopped complaining after installing 1 ton helper coil springs that do NOT
touch till about 1.5" of travel

It is mine now and dislike the 'half ton' ride, but it is my hauler. I did
tow a +14K utility trailer with about 2K worth of steel parts in the bed. A
'can do', but not safely...and will never do that again.

So subjective and my point is counter to those who only want a half ton for
their daily. Not me.

Ride quality is on my 'have to have' list for my mini van, which is my daily.
But I also drive little old ladies to church/lunch/etc (am on the board of Self
Help for the Elderly). Or my going to town sedan.

Finally...that 'truck ride' is the heavier duty suspension for the higher class
loads...NOT for the good days, but for the bad days out there when Mr Murphy
crosses your path...you either have spot on or do NOT.

Manhandling is one thing at that point.

The other point is longevity hauling and towing heavy

PS...ordered my Sub with the F60 option...which is the snow plow prep
package...that gets 1 ton front springs

I disagree-The bigger frame, the bigger motors, the heavier suspension-the ride quality to a half ton verses anything heavier there is no comparison. I also disagree with your "longevity" point. My half ton will last as long as your 3/4 ton providing I use it within the parameters it was designed for. Your Suburban has to ride what would be to me an unacceptable level with those 1 ton springs. While I respect your dad for his years of wisdom and longevity here on Earth, I disagree comparing anything approaching a 3/4 ton chassis and a Cadillac and saying ride quality is on par.

And lets face it-you had no business towing 14,000 pounds. You were over the towing limit and probably over payload as well. The additions to the suspension system you made on the half ton didn't allow you to go over your payload as stated by the manufacturer. And your right...it was totally unsafe.

Ride quality is so subjective...

I commuted for about six years in my 3/4 ton Suburban. OEM shocks to Edeclbrock
IAS shocks (List $150/ea) and now MonoMax. Think of performance level shocks. Also
commuted on the same route for about a year with my C10 Chevy (half ton) before
getting the Sub

Depending which office (I had five concurrently) and the difference
campuses one way ranged from ~35 miles to +45 miles. In heavy commuter
traffic that ran from dead stop and go, to 35 MPH, to pushing 75 MPH
bursts between the groups trying to get past blockers/accidents/etc

When on the freeway, can't tell the difference between my 8.6K GVWR vs the half
ton's 7.4K GVWR

Took mom and dad (he has had 2 back operations...last one fused two
together) to Disney Land with their grand kids. Had 8 adults and
the rear section & roof rack stuffed with luggage (some from the other
cars in the caravan). Dad is a Buick and Caddy guy. He commented how
there was no difference riding in my Sub from his Caddy...didn't tell
him we were cruise at +85MPH on Highway 5... Had the IAS's then

Rough roads, yes of course, but then I don't like the floaty and uncontrolled
softness.

But then I'm a boy racer at heart with ride quality not even on my 'have to have'
list, but towards the bottom of my 'nice to have' list

OBTW, I also own a half ton Chevy C10 Silverado. Dad had me order it for his
and mom's small grocery/butcher shop. Insisted on a 'half ton' for the ride
quality for his commute.

Then complained about bottoming out when hauling canned goods from the warehouse,
or the produce market, or any of the wholesale distributors

He stopped complaining after installing 1 ton helper coil springs that do NOT
touch till about 1.5" of travel

It is mine now and dislike the 'half ton' ride, but it is my hauler. I did
tow a +14K utility trailer with about 2K worth of steel parts in the bed. A
'can do', but not safely...and will never do that again.

So subjective and my point is counter to those who only want a half ton for
their daily. Not me.

Ride quality is on my 'have to have' list for my mini van, which is my daily.
But I also drive little old ladies to church/lunch/etc (am on the board of Self
Help for the Elderly). Or my going to town sedan.

Finally...that 'truck ride' is the heavier duty suspension for the higher class
loads...NOT for the good days, but for the bad days out there when Mr Murphy
crosses your path...you either have spot on or do NOT.

Manhandling is one thing at that point.

The other point is longevity hauling and towing heavy

PS...ordered my Sub with the F60 option...which is the snow plow prep
package...that gets 1 ton front springs