I read most of the posts on accidents (currently in roads and routes)...this one got to me when I saw the fist picture below. It was obvious to me what happened and I posted the following:The motorcycle on the back of the 2017 single axle TT took them to the scene of the accident...not enough tongue weight. The truck is parallel with the semi trailer and the left front of the trailer is gone...was not straight behind the truck when it hit...part way jackknifed.You can see in this picture the TT is not parallel with the PU.These two bits of info...Apple Valley man and Stoddard Wells road plus Google Maps and knowing lack of tongue weight shows up once you get above 45-50 MPH leads to the following. They got on I-15 (exit 154) and in less than 1.5 miles (access road on east side) they lost control and slammed into the park semi trailer that was well of the road.

Are these your guesses and assumptions? Or somehow based on facts actually known about this particular incident. It is not uncommon at all for someone distracted to run into the back of a vehicle parked on the shoulder of the highway.

I agree 100%. Was the case of the trailer 'driving' the tow vehicle. One thing for sure, the occupants won't be going 'camping' ever again. Kind of surprised they made it that far. I bet it was a real treat pulling that 'tail wagging' trailer down the road at any speed.I feel bad for the semi owner/driver. He was a victim as well. A victim of the stupidity of the RV owner.I see that regularly, not enough tongue weight on a trailer and fishtailing on the road. I stay well away from those potential accidents.

BB_TX wrote:Are these your guesses and assumptions? Or somehow based on facts actually known about this particular incident. It is not uncommon at all for someone distracted to run into the back of a vehicle parked on the shoulder of the highway.I'd say assumptions based on the physical pictures of the 'accident' Pretty obvious to me that the single axle RV with the motorcycle on the back was tongue light and a light tongue equals a fishtailing trailer., but then all you have to do is look at the pictures. I take it you have issues with your vision?

BB_TX wrote:Are these your guesses and assumptions? Or somehow based on facts actually known about this particular incident. It is not uncommon at all for someone distracted to run into the back of a vehicle parked on the shoulder of the highway.Thanks for your post: I believe I covered that with this at the bottom of my post: "This post is my opinion (free advice). It is not intended to influence anyone's judgment nor do I advocate anyone do what I propose." I also did not post this in the 5er section for a reason.I made the same mistake 50+ years ago...putting to much weight in the back of a single axle 21' Airstream trailer. At 45 MPH the fun began BUT I put on the trailer brakes creating more tongue weight and then slowed down only using the trailer brakes. Moving half (200lbs) of what I'd put in the back to the front solved the problem. Maybe you also missed this at the bottom: These two bits of info...Apple Valley man and Stoddard Wells road plus Google Maps and knowing lack of tongue weight shows up once you get above 45-50 MPH leads to the following. They got on I-15 (exit 154) and in less than 1.5 miles (access road on east side) they lost control and slammed into the park semi trailer that was well of the road. PS: I've also slept at a Holiday Inn.:B

Like Kenny Rodgers croons... 'You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.....They folded.

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toedtoes
Explorer III
Jul 28, 2019
IAMICHABOD wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
BillyBob Jim wrote:
The driver who was killed was 84. That had to be a factor if not the factor.

He was on borrows time anyway.:p

I was going to tell you what a jerk you are...
But that doesn't quite describe it accuratly enough.
Consider yourself blocked.

toedtoes wrote:

I don't see anything in his post to warrant your accusations. Nothing wrong with that.

Really?

I was talking about the comment about driving the speed limit or less - which was the comment I quoted.

The comments you quoted above had nothing to do with my post. They were two separate things.
185EZ
Explorer
Jul 28, 2019
SidecarFlip wrote:
BillyBob Jim wrote:
The driver who was killed was 84. That had to be a factor if not the factor.

He was on borrows time anyway.:p

After such an insensitive comment
Future comments hold no merit or anything of value
Hope you find the help you need
wnjj
Explorer II
Jul 28, 2019
drsteve wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
BillyBob Jim wrote:
The driver who was killed was 84. That had to be a factor if not the factor.

He was on borrows time anyway.:p

Congratulations. 13 years on this forum, and you are the first person I have blocked.

You won't miss much.
drsteve
Explorer
Jul 28, 2019
SidecarFlip wrote:
BillyBob Jim wrote:
The driver who was killed was 84. That had to be a factor if not the factor.

He was on borrows time anyway.:p

Congratulations. 13 years on this forum, and you are the first person I have blocked.
JusBud
Explorer
Jul 28, 2019
toedtoes wrote:
JusBud wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
One other item that comes up on this forum regularly is tow speed. I regularly read posts from owners saying they tow at 75 mph in a matter of fact tone.

I look at it this way, it's a vacation, not the Indy 500. 75 per is way too fast to have any control in an emergency situation (like a tire blowing for instance). All 75 gets you is poor gas mileage and you are a liability to everyone else on the road as well.

Myself, I run the posted speed or 5 under. I get there almost as quickly, get better fuel mileage, less wear and tear on my vehicle and components and I wave as the speedballs go flying past (and then pass them up when they are fueling up).... I don't get it but then I've gotten to the point where I dismiss that type behavior as irresponsible.

Glad you have life figured out and also being traffic controller.
You're being irresponsible for holding the rest of us up.
It's not just your highway.
I bet you even use the left lane
Move over

I don't see anything in his post to warrant your accusations. He said he goes the speed limit or 5mph under and lets others go past him. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course he lets other go past him
IF we can.
4 lane hwy it's no problem
2 lane hwy he's holding up traffic and it's not just him trying to get somewhere
I bet he doesn't pull over like i do when i can't do the speed limit
Or even look in his mirror to see the string of vehicles he's holding up behind him
I also rarely see anyone towing 75 mph so not sure he can claim they are doing that speed
My accusations are correct
IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Jul 28, 2019
Huntindog wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
BillyBob Jim wrote:
The driver who was killed was 84. That had to be a factor if not the factor.

He was on borrows time anyway.:p

I was going to tell you what a jerk you are...
But that doesn't quite describe it accuratly enough.
Consider yourself blocked.

toedtoes wrote:

I don't see anything in his post to warrant your accusations. Nothing wrong with that.

Really?
toedtoes
Explorer III
Jul 28, 2019
JusBud wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
One other item that comes up on this forum regularly is tow speed. I regularly read posts from owners saying they tow at 75 mph in a matter of fact tone.

I look at it this way, it's a vacation, not the Indy 500. 75 per is way too fast to have any control in an emergency situation (like a tire blowing for instance). All 75 gets you is poor gas mileage and you are a liability to everyone else on the road as well.

Myself, I run the posted speed or 5 under. I get there almost as quickly, get better fuel mileage, less wear and tear on my vehicle and components and I wave as the speedballs go flying past (and then pass them up when they are fueling up).... I don't get it but then I've gotten to the point where I dismiss that type behavior as irresponsible.

Glad you have life figured out and also being traffic controller.
You're being irresponsible for holding the rest of us up.
It's not just your highway.
I bet you even use the left lane
Move over

I don't see anything in his post to warrant your accusations. He said he goes the speed limit or 5mph under and lets others go past him. Nothing wrong with that.
JusBud
Explorer
Jul 28, 2019
SidecarFlip wrote:
BillyBob Jim wrote:
The driver who was killed was 84. That had to be a factor if not the factor.

He was on borrows time anyway.:p

Wow!
You sure have a unique way to make friends on the highway and the forums
You must be a hoot around the campfire
JusBud
Explorer
Jul 28, 2019
SidecarFlip wrote:
One other item that comes up on this forum regularly is tow speed. I regularly read posts from owners saying they tow at 75 mph in a matter of fact tone.

I look at it this way, it's a vacation, not the Indy 500. 75 per is way too fast to have any control in an emergency situation (like a tire blowing for instance). All 75 gets you is poor gas mileage and you are a liability to everyone else on the road as well.

Myself, I run the posted speed or 5 under. I get there almost as quickly, get better fuel mileage, less wear and tear on my vehicle and components and I wave as the speedballs go flying past (and then pass them up when they are fueling up).... I don't get it but then I've gotten to the point where I dismiss that type behavior as irresponsible.

Glad you have life figured out and also being traffic controller.
You're being irresponsible for holding the rest of us up.
It's not just your highway.
I bet you even use the left lane
Move over
Boon_Docker
Explorer III
Jul 28, 2019
I agree, what a jackazz.

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