Wonder if truck makers will start making 10001 # 1/2 tons.

RoyJ wrote:

otrfun wrote:
I wonder what will happen to the resale value of Class 2/3/4 diesel trucks when the Big 3 announce they will no longer spend R&D funds on future FF development. No more torque wars :( No doubt this will probably be announced sometime in the next 10 years or so.

Will the resale value of these Class 2/3/4 diesel trucks 1) go up because they will be prized for their range and power, or 2) will their resale value drop because battery technology will provide the same range and power?

Or, will large RV's be a thing of the past? Will the RV industry be forced to copy the European model?

I'm afraid of the latter. It'll be a while before an affordable battery pack can replace fossil fuel for towing / constant power applications.

A Model 3 may take 10hp (7.46 kW) doing a slow 55 mph cruise, which is why EVs will quickly replace all commuters.

But an 18k toy hauler probably requires an average 100kw at freeway speeds. Even with 200 kWh pack, we're talking 2 hours before recharging. Then factor in the fact that commutes are nearly always less than a hour, while annual camping trips are almost always further than 2 hrs. HD pickups may be a niche where EVs application doesn't work so well.

You'll need a

I tend to agree. But those with deeper pockets may get something like Tesla’s baby semi. That would work. Depending how people tour the charge time might not be an issue. Wouldn’t be for us. Then again. A long day on the road in the Motorhome for us is 600 km.

Just sayin.

otrfun wrote:
I wonder what will happen to the resale value of Class 2/3/4 diesel trucks when the Big 3 announce they will no longer spend R&D funds on future FF development. No more torque wars :( No doubt this will probably be announced sometime in the next 10 years or so.

Will the resale value of these Class 2/3/4 diesel trucks 1) go up because they will be prized for their range and power, or 2) will their resale value drop because battery technology will provide the same range and power?

Or, will large RV's be a thing of the past? Will the RV industry be forced to copy the European model?

I'm afraid of the latter. It'll be a while before an affordable battery pack can replace fossil fuel for towing / constant power applications.

A Model 3 may take 10hp (7.46 kW) doing a slow 55 mph cruise, which is why EVs will quickly replace all commuters.

But an 18k toy hauler probably requires an average 100kw at freeway speeds. Even with 200 kWh pack, we're talking 2 hours before recharging. Then factor in the fact that commutes are nearly always less than a hour, while annual camping trips are almost always further than 2 hrs. HD pickups may be a niche where EVs application doesn't work so well.

You'll need a

RobWNY wrote:

free radical wrote:

RobWNY wrote:
They have to make these EV make noise. People don't pay attention now! Everyone walking down the street has their head down staring at their cell phone or their ear buds in. In 15 years, who knows what the high tech thing will be occupying everyone's attention. It's a recipe for disaster for pedestrians and bicyclists to have vehicles that are basically silent.

Shouldnt be too dificult :B

https://youtu.be/4NgSZ8sjDgU

That sound made me start singing "Meet George Jetson... His Boy Elroy...Daughter Judy...Jane his wife." LOL

:)

With my wifes Tesla you can substitute the outside noise with a wave file. She uses the knightrider woosh woosh sound with the theme song in the background. Gets laughs in parking lots when we summon the car. People kind of freak out when they see a car driving up to the front of home depot with nobody in the drivers seat. Way fun. :)

free radical wrote:

RobWNY wrote:
They have to make these EV make noise. People don't pay attention now! Everyone walking down the street has their head down staring at their cell phone or their ear buds in. In 15 years, who knows what the high tech thing will be occupying everyone's attention. It's a recipe for disaster for pedestrians and bicyclists to have vehicles that are basically silent.

Shouldnt be too dificult :B

https://youtu.be/4NgSZ8sjDgU

That sound made me start singing "Meet George Jetson... His Boy Elroy...Daughter Judy...Jane his wife." LOL

Reisender wrote:

otrfun wrote:
There are many details that remain to be worked out---but, the writing certainly appears on the wall: day-to-day commuters looking to purchase a new vehicle in 15 years or so will probably have their choices limited solely to EV's.

With that being said, got to wonder how manufacturers (and lawmakers) will address the production of *new*, recreational vehicles and TV's (specifically those with a GVWR >10k) in 15 years?

EV’s are changing so fast right now. I very much doubt there will be a market for gasser cars or light duty trucks in 2035. Who’s going to want to buy a clunky, gutless, noisy, stinky, high maintenance, inconvenient, expensive to fuel gasser that you have to fuel at a gas station.

Not everybody has the same driving needs, but we are pretty average and for our needs there isn’t anything a gasser can do that our EV can’t do better. What’s it going to be like after 15 more years of development.

I’m sure there will still be a market for some applications of gas and diesel vehicles, but it’s going to be a different landscape. Any kid growing up in an EV household will never, not ever choose a gasser over electric. There would have to be a ton of improvements in gas vehicles before somebody went backwards, and I don’t see companies like ford or GM throwing lots of money at it when the writing is on the wall.

All JMHO.

I wonder what will happen to the resale value of Class 2/3/4 diesel trucks when the Big 3 announce they will no longer spend R&D funds on future FF development. No more torque wars :( No doubt this will probably be announced sometime in the next 10 years or so.

Will the resale value of these Class 2/3/4 diesel trucks 1) go up because they will be prized for their range and power, or 2) will their resale value drop because battery technology will provide the same range and power?

Or, will large RV's be a thing of the past? Will the RV industry be forced to copy the European model?

Reisender wrote:

EV’s are changing so fast right now. I very much doubt there will be a market for gasser cars or light duty trucks in 2035. Who’s going to want to buy a clunky, gutless, noisy, stinky, high maintenance, inconvenient, expensive to fuel gasser that you have to fuel at a gas station.

Not everybody has the same driving needs, but we are pretty average and for our needs there isn’t anything a gasser can do that our EV can’t do better. What’s it going to be like after 15 more years of development.

I’m sure there will still be a market for some applications of gas and diesel vehicles, but it’s going to be a different landscape. Any kid growing up in an EV household will never, not ever choose a gasser over electric. There would have to be a ton of improvements in gas vehicles before somebody went backwards, and I don’t see companies like ford or GM throwing lots of money at it when the writing is on the wall.

All JMHO.

Ahhh, such bold statements, and such conviction.

EV nut swingers are no different than the BLM rioters. Gotta have a cause, just for the sake of having a cause.

And as most of these threads go, I'll qualify that I'm not anti EV. I'm all about whatever is most economical and convenient for ME. If that's a 2 ton high powered mobility scooter that can do 120mph down the freeway and it's overall cost is less than firing up the ole dinosaur burner, I'm down. Totally. Although I'll still dust off and fire up the ole Hemi regularly, because, well, not everyone like s the same thing...

Just hasn't happened yet.

Reisender wrote:

otrfun wrote:
There are many details that remain to be worked out---but, the writing certainly appears on the wall: day-to-day commuters looking to purchase a new vehicle in 15 years or so will probably have their choices limited solely to EV's.

With that being said, got to wonder how manufacturers (and lawmakers) will address the production of *new*, recreational vehicles and TV's (specifically those with a GVWR >10k) in 15 years?

EV’s are changing so fast right now. I very much doubt there will be a market for gasser cars or light duty trucks in 2035. Who’s going to want to buy a clunky, gutless, noisy, stinky, high maintenance, inconvenient, expensive to fuel gasser that you have to fuel at a gas station.

Not everybody has the same driving needs, but we are pretty average and for our needs there isn’t anything a gasser can do that our EV can’t do better. What’s it going to be like after 15 more years of development.

I’m sure there will still be a market for some applications of gas and diesel vehicles, but it’s going to be a different landscape. Any kid growing up in an EV household will never, not ever choose a gasser over electric. There would have to be a ton of improvements in gas vehicles before somebody went backwards, and I don’t see companies like ford or GM throwing lots of money at it when the writing is on the wall.

All JMHO.

I agree 100% with electric in the future. Who today wants a flip phone or a tube TV.

Dan

RobWNY wrote:
They have to make these EV make noise. People don't pay attention now! Everyone walking down the street has their head down staring at their cell phone or their ear buds in. In 15 years, who knows what the high tech thing will be occupying everyone's attention. It's a recipe for disaster for pedestrians and bicyclists to have vehicles that are basically silent.

Shouldnt be too dificult :B

https://youtu.be/4NgSZ8sjDgU

RobWNY wrote:
They have to make these EV make noise. People don't pay attention now! Everyone walking down the street has their head down staring at their cell phone or their ear buds in. In 15 years, who knows what the high tech thing will be occupying everyone's attention. It's a recipe for disaster for pedestrians and bicyclists to have vehicles that are basically silent.

All EV’s sold today have noisemakers in both forward and reverse. (Earlier models didn’t). That came out in 2019 for implementation in 2020. Different manufacturers have different sounds. Our is kind of a shhhhhhhhhh sound. Going backwards it’s kind of an electronic whirrr. The sound disappears over 30 kmh. Here’s the cut and paste.

“ It requires hybrids and electric vehicles travelling at less than 18.6 mph (30 km/h) to emit warning sounds that pedestrians must be able to hear over background noises. The regulation requires full compliance in September 2020, but 50% of "quiet" vehicles must have the warning sounds by September 2019.”

They have to make these EV make noise. People don't pay attention now! Everyone walking down the street has their head down staring at their cell phone or their ear buds in. In 15 years, who knows what the high tech thing will be occupying everyone's attention. It's a recipe for disaster for pedestrians and bicyclists to have vehicles that are basically silent.