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Is Shaw Direct Satellite TV Going the Way of Bell?

vwsportbug
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I'm hearing rumours that Shaw Direct is no longer going to broadcast their signal into the U.S. for us Canadian snowbirds who winter in the southern US. Has anyone heard the details?
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wilco
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I'm not a Shaw exec either, I'm simply trying to set up a system that works for me as a Snowbirder.

Bell worked fine for me for years until they put up the new satellite that didn't cover the popular Snowbird areas. There are many theories out there about why Bell did this but I believe it's this simple, Bell was not authorized/licensed to sell its signal outside Canada so wisely decided not to spend the extra money on a sat that would cover all of North America and, instead, decided to try and enhance the signal for its more northerly legit customers. Bell, I believe, also depends to some extent on an American hardware supplier for its receivers etc. (ever wonder why your splitters/switches etc. are labelled Dish Network?) So might have had additional pressure from that end that led to its former cut-off policy if you were found to be in the US.

Now to Shaw. It seems to me that there a multiple things going on. Firstly, for now the channels that they have chosen to put on the new sat (that will not be available in the Snowbird areas) will not be a great hardship for most Snowbirds. Most of your programming will still be available as it was before. You will lose some channels that you had at home if you have Shaw at home and have updated your dish/receivers to receive the new sat.

Secondly, they have modified the old "Home Away From Home" to the point that it is almost akin to getting a new separate account (either a 50% premium if you can talk them into it, or 70% if you can't). The premise was that you would either use your account at home, or at the cottage, but not both locations at once. I believe that the reason for the policy change is, at least in part, that folks were taking advantage of the program, getting a second dish and giving it to their tenant/brother-in-law and getting a second TV site for free. Contrary to the service agreement and probably illegal. The only way they really had to police this was the "must be hooked up to the phone line" clause that is in the service agreement. Neither Bell nor Shaw ever enforced this for practical reasons. Many houses, including mine, don't have a phone connection anywhere near the TV's. They weren't willing to pay for the extra wiring, nor was I, or I suppose anyone in rental accommodation. Nowadays, more and more folks don't even have a landline. So...I think that demise of the "Home Away From Home" might have been a policy decision to try and get control of the illegal accounts.

So, assuming that you have a legit account that you are only going use in one location at a time, here are some suggestions.

Scenario One: You have an account that you only use in the south and place it dormant when you are home. Call Shaw before you leave home and have them re-activate your account without mentioning that your actual service location is elsewhere. Re-boot your receiver online when you get south without calling Shaw. Do not call Shaw from a US number to have them do this for you. If you haven't upgraded your dish/receiver for the new sat....don't since there is no apparent advantage to do so for now.

Scenario Two: You have Shaw at home but also use it on the road and/or down south. If you've upgraded your system (receivers/dish LNB) at home for the new sat, you must update your mobile equipment as well. Shaw will understand that you have two locations if you are trying to run two versions of the receiver software and will charge you accordingly. Take an upgraded receiver with you along with a new LNB appropriate for the size of dish you have down south or replace your RV LNB before you go. If you need a new LNB, I would try to get it from a dealer rather than Shaw.

That's what I got for now.
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vwsportbug
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Hamops wrote:
vwsportbug wrote:
popupcamping wrote:
Do you think there is a shaw exec on this forum going to tell you?


While I wouldn't completely rule that out, the last two responses (from Wilco & Hamops) were actually helpful and seemed to have come with fairly direct input from Shaw. Perhaps one of them is a Shaw exec......



I'm no Shaw Exec, but I did make contact with one of their people to get clarification on their new policy. The Spokesperson from Shaw stated that now that their new satellite is service, an Head Office decision was made to no longer support RVr's whether in Canada or the U.S. As of May 31,2013, Shaw will support fixed location customers only and only at the billing address. If you have a cottage and use you dish temporarily there, no support will allowed unless you have a separate account for your cottage with all the applicable fees and charges that go with it .



That is good info to have. Now, I will make sure that I always tell Shaw that I am at my billing address anytime I have to contact them for support (regardless of where I am physically). Thanks Hamops!
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Hamops
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vwsportbug wrote:
popupcamping wrote:
Do you think there is a shaw exec on this forum going to tell you?


While I wouldn't completely rule that out, the last two responses (from Wilco & Hamops) were actually helpful and seemed to have come with fairly direct input from Shaw. Perhaps one of them is a Shaw exec......



I'm no Shaw Exec, but I did make contact with one of their people to get clarification on their new policy. The Spokesperson from Shaw stated that now that their new satellite is service, an Head Office decision was made to no longer support RVr's whether in Canada or the U.S. As of May 31,2013, Shaw will support fixed location customers only and only at the billing address. If you have a cottage and use you dish temporarily there, no support will allowed unless you have a separate account for your cottage with all the applicable fees and charges that go with it .

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vwsportbug
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popupcamping wrote:
Do you think there is a shaw exec on this forum going to tell you?


While I wouldn't completely rule that out, the last two responses (from Wilco & Hamops) were actually helpful and seemed to have come with fairly direct input from Shaw. Perhaps one of them is a Shaw exec......
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Hamops
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Shaw has a third satellite for it's HD service and it's footprint will only work north of the about 43rd parallel. This does NOT mean that you will not be able to receive the two original birds because you will. As of May 31, 2013, Shaw changed their policy and decided not to help Snowbirds with setting their dishes south of the border. Snowbirds will be on their own from now on. Though unlike Bell, Shaw will not shut you down for viewing Anik 1 and Anik 2 signals in the U.S. That's the good part.

I talked to both the CRTC/Industry Canada and the FCC in the U.S. and the question of viewing legitimate satellite service in the U.S. for Canadians and in Canada for Americans is illegal in the truest sense of the law. It would be up to the I.C. in Canada and the FCC in the U.S. to enforce the law. In my conversation with the FCC person, he mentioned that when the direct satellite to TV service was set up under the World Trade Agreement, Canada and U.S. took exemptions to the WTA, so that the Canada and the U.S. would have their own Satellite services and not try to take each others business. That meant that Bell and Shaw would get Canada and Dish and DirecTV would get the U.S. and there would be no overlap. With this "no overlap", it is illegal to view the opposite country's satellite service whether legitimately or illegitimately(gray market). In my discussion with the FCC person, he stated Industry Canada and the FCC have a very good working relationship. He said that since this situation was never even thought of in the original negotiations, he would, with permission, check with his I.C. contact in Ottawa and see if some provision could be made for RVr's to view legitimately obtained satellite service in each others country. Let's hope that something comes of it.

In the meantime, with all that, it's not likely that we'll see the RCMP or FCC Enforcement Agents, roaming through Campgrounds or RV parks checking for illegal satellite dishes. Hmmmmm........maybe I'll paint over the logo on my dish with some gray primer paint just in case. :W

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wilco
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As of today, having wandered thru the many posts on this subject, this is what I think I know.

Shaw will no longer provide you tech support if you indicate that you are outside Canada (this does not mean that you won't get a signal outside Canada).

For the time being (another five years or so until the the main Shaw sats time out), you will still have the vast majority of channels that you have traditionally had south of the border if you don't change anything.

If you want access to the new satellite now in operation, then the game changes and you need to update the LNB on your dish and download new software for your receivers. Neither are particularly onerous , BUT all of your receivers and dishes need to be on the same program.

If not, you become a part of the new Shaw "Home away from Home" policy that used to be free but will require you to pay (as an existing customer, an additional 50% on our account or as a new customer, 70%)!

So change nothing, or change all. For now at least, there's nothing critical (at least for me) on the new sat that isn't replicated elsewhere.

The strategy that you use to evolve kinda depends on your scenario and how you choose to manage that is up to you.

Bottom line, if you're a Snowbirder and have a system that works...why change?
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weasel4
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From what I was able to gather, several months ago when I researched this very question. Shaw is setting up some HD satellite feeds that will only cover the lower parts of Canada a short distance into the US.

The feeds that Shaw are sending now, will continue to reach farther south into the southern US and into Mexico.
Just relaying the info I got from Shaw.
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popupcamping
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Do you think there is a shaw exec on this forum going to tell you?

vwsportbug
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Fizz wrote:
This topic has been flogged to death.....
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FIZZ, thanks for the info.

BUT flogged to death? Seems a little extreme for a simple, straightforward question. Even reading many of the messages within your link, there still seems to be a variety of opinions and lots of confusion. Some of the confusion even seems to be originating from Shaw.

My question remains: Is Shaw going the way of Bell??????
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cocos_cabana
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Thanks Fizz

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Instead of going through 329 posts on this subject on this forum alone, why don't you just call Shaw. They have always been very up front with me since I dropped Bell for the very reason that they were not going to continue to provide southern service.
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Fizz
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cocos cabana wrote:
Fizz: off topic but help me out here...how were you able to post the "shaw" link?


I did a search for 'shaw'
Copied the link in the address field and pasted it in my reply.

Go here for more info.... Forum support

cocos_cabana
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Fizz: off topic but help me out here...how were you able to post the "shaw" link?

Fizz
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This topic has been flogged to death.....
SHAW