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Andersen Aluminum Ultimate and RAM OEM puck

eb145
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Just passing along some information to help others out that might be in the same situation I am now in.

I have a 2014 RAM 3500 SRW crew cab with the RAM OEM 5th wheel prep.

I just purchased the Andersen Aluminum Ultimate 5th wheel hitch (goose neck version) and I ordered the Andersen safety chains to use with it. I will be using the safety chains to minimize the chance of the trailer falling off the rear of the truck in case of goose ball failure, as well as to help keep the trailer out of the back seat of the truck cab in case of a collision.

I purchased the Curt brand goose neck ball and safety chain anchor kit that is compatible with the RAM OEM 5th wheel prep.

And when I went to do a test assembly last night I found a little surprise / incompatibility:

It turns out the Curt safety chain anchors can't be used in my truck with the Andersen hitch. The reason is the Curt safety chain anchors are manufactured with an angle to the anchor loops and they use a pin that needs to be clipped on that interfere with the base of the Andersen pyramid. Here is a picture of the Curt product:


The angle on the anchor loops and the way the pin is used to secure the anchor loop to the truck just doesn't work in my setup.

So,I looked closely at pictures of the Reese brand gooseneck ball and safety chain anchor and I see it will work with my setup so I ordered it. You can see the Reese brand anchor chain is a different shape and has a different attachment mechanism that will not interfere with the Andersen pyramid base.


So in summary, the Curt brand safety chain anchors fit my 2014 RAM 3500 SRW crew cab but they can't be used with the Andersen Aluminum Ultimate 5th wheel hitch due to the shape of the Curt brand anchors.

Hopefully this information will save someone the aggravation of discovering this for themselves the hard way.

Ed
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thedoghouse
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
ramgunner wrote:
Since the OP has a Ram with the Factory 5th Wheel / Gooseneck Prep Package, there are plenty of 5th wheel hitch options that will leave him with a flat bed when removed. The Anderson isn't the only product that does this.

http://www.ramgunner.com/ram5thwheel.htm


I am not going to trust a 30# hitch to tow this little baby!



But I will trust towing it with this! The bed is clear in a couple minutes.



:). BW
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cummins2014
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
avvidclif1 wrote:
I still want to know what a wreck with a horse trailer using a gooseneck hitch has to do with an Anderson Hitch. Show a picture of a wreck or a report of one using an Anderson Hitch.


Just an example of why I would not trust the Andersen in a wreck. Not enough metal IMHO.

If people are happy with what they have that's great but I think people need to look at more that just what a company says something is rated at.



IMHO if you had a similar wreck towing that monster of yours, that fifth wheel would be sitting on top of your truck as soon as it made contact with that embankment , your hitch would be the last thing you would have to worry about .

balesfam
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Explorer
I just returned from a 900 mile trip to the beach with my Andersen hitch in my short bed 2500 gmc.
The hitch worked great, no problems making tight turns, no chucking, very smooth. I am mad the dealer sold me a superglide hitch I didn't need. I was able to sell it and recoup most the cost. Easy to hook up at any angle, or uneven ground. When I got home it took five minutes to remove it by myself.
I don't have to drive around town with a 300 lb monster in the back of my truck.

Cummins12V98
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rskeans wrote:
avvidclif1 wrote:
I still want to know what a wreck with a horse trailer using a gooseneck hitch has to do with an Anderson Hitch. Show a picture of a wreck or a report of one using an Anderson Hitch.

Cummins12V98 has been on an Anti Andersen rant for many months based only on his opinion, not fact. He tows a very heavy DRV with a 6000lb pin weight. For his situation the Companion is an excellent choice. I wouldn't tow his weight with my Andersen. But to continuously 'bad mouth' another product as fact when he in fact has never used one, or cannot show any failures of the product just does not make sense. BTW, normally, Cummins12v98 has very valuable and excellent contributions for the forums he visits. Normally based upon first hand experience, not just because he does not like the looks of one.


Thank you for the criticism and compliment. I have said they would be fine for a lighter weight RV. Of course that is MY opinion.

With a heavier RV their base WILL move fore and aft and deflect the bed no different then my 18K Companion did until B&W sent me shims so the base would transfer the weight to the bed cross members.

Mounting the Andersen to the picture frame adapter for the RAM factory puck system is a good way to stop the deflection.

Another thing "I" don't like is there is no way to lock your RV to the Andersen.

Again no issue if you are happy with your Andersen at all. I think everyone benefits when all sides of a topic are addressed.
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FlatBroke
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You have to own every thing or use it before you "bad mouth" something?I ain't got enough money to participate on this forum. LOL ๐Ÿ˜‰

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ralphnjoann
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rskeans wrote:
avvidclif1 wrote:
I still want to know what a wreck with a horse trailer using a gooseneck hitch has to do with an Anderson Hitch. Show a picture of a wreck or a report of one using an Anderson Hitch.

Cummins12V98 has been on an Anti Andersen rant for many months based only on his opinion, not fact. He tows a very heavy DRV with a 6000lb pin weight. For his situation the Companion is an excellent choice. I wouldn't tow his weight with my Andersen. But to continuously 'bad mouth' another product as fact when he in fact has never used one, or cannot show any failures of the product just does not make sense. BTW, normally, Cummins12v98 has very valuable and excellent contributions for the forums he visits. Normally based upon first hand experience, not just because he does not like the looks of one.


Amen brother, Amen!

rskeans
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avvidclif1 wrote:
I still want to know what a wreck with a horse trailer using a gooseneck hitch has to do with an Anderson Hitch. Show a picture of a wreck or a report of one using an Anderson Hitch.

Cummins12V98 has been on an Anti Andersen rant for many months based only on his opinion, not fact. He tows a very heavy DRV with a 6000lb pin weight. For his situation the Companion is an excellent choice. I wouldn't tow his weight with my Andersen. But to continuously 'bad mouth' another product as fact when he in fact has never used one, or cannot show any failures of the product just does not make sense. BTW, normally, Cummins12v98 has very valuable and excellent contributions for the forums he visits. Normally based upon first hand experience, not just because he does not like the looks of one.
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Cummins12V98
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avvidclif1 wrote:
I still want to know what a wreck with a horse trailer using a gooseneck hitch has to do with an Anderson Hitch. Show a picture of a wreck or a report of one using an Anderson Hitch.


Just an example of why I would not trust the Andersen in a wreck. Not enough metal IMHO.

If people are happy with what they have that's great but I think people need to look at more that just what a company says something is rated at.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

kohai
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I will comment on the safety chains for the Andersen.... I had gotten in the habit of hooking the safety chain hook to the eye bolt when not attached to the truck so that they didn't hang way down.

I had two instances where the dealer and the storage place bent my eyebolts. I couldn't figure out why until one day I was hooking up and my wife noticed that with the hooks hanging from the eyebolts while connecting the trailer, the hooks can get pinched between the Andersen and the eyebolt causing it to bend the eyebolts.

Now, I hang the hook on the back of the pinbox so they aren't near the Andersen when connecting the trailer.
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avvidclif1
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I still want to know what a wreck with a horse trailer using a gooseneck hitch has to do with an Anderson Hitch. Show a picture of a wreck or a report of one using an Anderson Hitch.
Clif & Millie
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Cummins12V98
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Sport45 wrote:
Some folk are just can't accept things they don't understand. When radial tires came out it was just a way for the tire manufacturers to make more money. Fuel injection and electronic ignition just made engines more complicated than necessary...

Innovation and change is a fact of life. Without it we'd all still be hitching real horses to our new covered wagons. ๐Ÿ™‚


I am sure this was directed at me, I do understand change. I do also understand there are ratings and there are ratings! Craftsman Shop Vac "develops 6 HP"

Someone please post a pic of the Andersen to compare to this B&W with nearly identical towing and pin specs. Or even a REESE/Curt that's similarly rated. Then please tell me they are all rated in the same manner.

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37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Sport45
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Some folk are just can't accept things they don't understand. When radial tires came out it was just a way for the tire manufacturers to make more money. Fuel injection and electronic ignition just made engines more complicated than necessary...

Innovation and change is a fact of life. Without it we'd all still be hitching real horses to our new covered wagons. ๐Ÿ™‚
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Cummins12V98
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jerem0621 wrote:
avvidclif1 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
There is a very sad post a while back on Fifth-Wheels titled "Please Be Careful!"

That accident is why there is no way I would want an Andersen either steel or aluminum!


Post a link or it's a rumor....


Please Be Careful!


Thanks for the link!
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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45Ricochet wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
avvidclif1 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
There is a very sad post a while back on Fifth-Wheels titled "Please Be Careful!"

That accident is why there is no way I would want an Andersen either steel or aluminum!


Post a link or it's a rumor....


Please Be Careful!

I might have missed it since I didn't read all 4 pages but the OP showed a Dually and 5er. Was that photo a Anderson hitch? It appeared that the 5er became dislodged from the pickup which ever hitch was used, crashing into the pickup.


I took it as it was a gooseneck, typical for a horse trailer. I don't think it became dislodged, on second look maybe it did.

My point was IMHO the Andersen will not hold up when in a bad situation as well as other hitches. Just something to think about if considering one.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

csamayfield55x
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You know you can dig up accident photo's of any combo you want and say how bad it is. Matter of fact my brother (fireman) cut a guy out of a big rig a couple years ago when the trailer landed on the cab of his truck. Seems very similar to that picture.
Now, take a look at how many Milloins of miles ranchers and farmers have hauled goosenecks around this counrty and how many of those pictures you can find!

My FIL just had his Reese 16K come apart on him. He high hitched it in the past and bent some parts. We replaced it with an Anderson and he said it had NEVER towed that well!! He has been trying to get a better ride since the day he bought it and finally has what he needs!

This is a wild thread. 8 pages of most people saying they love Their Anderson's and a couple who have never used them calling them all fools!

BTW, my trailer is a factory gooseneck. It tows like it is on rails!!

Chris
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