Is 37' to much for a shortbed SRW??

[Kevin_O_]

Hey guys I need your help... My wife and I are very interested in a 2015 Cougar 330RBK

Specs for 330RBK
Shipping Weight 10065
Carrying Capacity 2380
Hitch 2045
Length 37' 4"
Height 12' 10"
Fresh Water 60
Waste Water 38
Gray Water 76
LPG 60
Tire Size ST235/80R16E

My truck is a 2001 F350 diesel crewcab
9900lb-GVWR
6830lb-RAWR
13,300lb-tow capacity(fifth wheel)
20,000lb-GCWR

I also came across this form that was in with my trucks paperwork stating that I have a camper pkg with 2571lbs of payload.



I was on a while back interested in a similar trailer and received mixed advice. This was before I found this form stating what I actually have for payload. So looking at the #'s I don't think I should have a problem?? My biggest concern now is if 37' is to much for a short bed SRW ?? If it was a bumper pull I wouldn't even attempt it. Of course the dealer says it won't be a problem but I know not to trust them. I have no experience with fifth wheels and could use your help before i possibly make a very expensive mistake..
Thanks, Kevin

[Mile_High]

lawrosa wrote:
Not sure how some can state that the truck is ok for what he is looking at.

How many think this tag is accurate??? His max payload of 2571 may be more or less. But the truck needs to be weighed to truely know what pin weight he should be looking at...It all depends on people and cargo and fuel.



Im an axle weight guy. IMO as I said earlier is he loads the truck with fuel and cargo/passengers..then,

Take said truck to cat scale.
Get separate axle weights
Take the trucks axle weights on the door tag and subtract from the #'s you got from the scales.

Thats 6830lb-RAWR - ????

Do same for front

That will tell you payload/pin period.... Cost is around $10 for the scale.. That would be the best $10 you ever spent..

Then when looking for a 5th wheel, most dealers can tell the exact pin weight.

IF your 235/80's are fairly new, I'd put them on the trailer and get rid of even new ST tires

They are the trailer tires I believe.. The OP did not post the truck tire size....







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Really?? This coming from a guy that tows a 30 ft TT with an S-10?? I sure know who I would rather follow down the highway :E

[Bird_Freak]

Almost my same setup and mine doe's a great job.

[rhagfo]

lynndiwagon wrote:
Throw on some 19.5's, air bags, and go for it.

Did you even read the OP's post? :h

Just because it is 37' long doesn't mean it is heavy!

Specs for 330RBK
Shipping Weight 10065
Carrying Capacity 2380
Hitch 2045
10,065+2,380 = 12,445 GVWR!
Length 37' 4"
Height 12' 10"
Fresh Water 60
Waste Water 38
Gray Water 76
LPG 60
Tire Size ST235/80R16E

My truck is a 2001 F350 diesel crewcab

That is not an issue for the TV in question!!
9900lb-GVWR

[wclement1248]

I tow a similar trailer with an almost identical truck. I weighed and am within all limits for the truck. No problem towing, handling or stopping

[TXiceman]

Shoot, easiest thing to do is just pop off the F350 badges and glue on some F450 badges and you will be good to go. If it would make you feel better glue on a set of F550 badges.

Seriously, weigh the truck with a hitch mounted and normal travel cargo.

GVWR - loaded truck, = max loaded trailer pin weight.

Your estimated loaded pin weight will be around 20% of the trailers GVWR.

The limiting factor on what your SRW truck can tow in limited by the trucks GVWR.

Ken

[lynndiwagon]

Throw on some 19.5's, air bags, and go for it.

[lawrosa]

Not sure how some can state that the truck is ok for what he is looking at.

How many think this tag is accurate??? His max payload of 2571 may be more or less. But the truck needs to be weighed to truely know what pin weight he should be looking at...It all depends on people and cargo and fuel.



Im an axle weight guy. IMO as I said earlier is he loads the truck with fuel and cargo/passengers..then,

Take said truck to cat scale.
Get separate axle weights
Take the trucks axle weights on the door tag and subtract from the #'s you got from the scales.

Thats 6830lb-RAWR - ????

Do same for front

That will tell you payload/pin period.... Cost is around $10 for the scale.. That would be the best $10 you ever spent..

Then when looking for a 5th wheel, most dealers can tell the exact pin weight.

IF your 235/80's are fairly new, I'd put them on the trailer and get rid of even new ST tires

They are the trailer tires I believe.. The OP did not post the truck tire size....







.

[Ivylog]

Me Again wrote:
With LT265/75R16E(3415 each) tires and the 6830 RAWR you should be under axle ratings.

Work out a deal for something besides the ST235/80R16E may pops, for happier trailering!

Chris

IF your 235/80's are fairly new, I'd put them on the trailer and get rid of even new ST tires. I'm running 265/75/16 Firestone Transforce on my 02 F350 SRW and while they are the same 3415 lb rating, the lower profile and wider tire will increase your stability over the 235's. I often pull a lot more than what you are looking at, BUT I can adjust my pin weight by were I put the load.
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[Cummins12V98]

rhagfo wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
IMHO too much tail for your dog! Towing down the highway no problem. It's the unexpected that will get you.

Cummins12V98, Really you and I both tow(ed) than much with 2nd Gen Ram Cummins, yes it is 5' longer than my Copper Canyon, but almost exactly the same weights! The OP has 1,100# more GVWR than we did, and 746# more GRAWR than our 2500's. Well with the optional 265/75-16E with the Camper Package on mine that is what my rear axle should rate.

PAYLOAD!! To the OP, Payload equals GVWR minus TV loaded as ready to carry 5er. you will likely use up all your payload, and maybe a little more, I run right at 10,000# with our 5er in tow, zero issues. I still have lots of rear axle, and no issues with power.

It is your choice, but I tow the same weights, with a 2500.

I'm not talking weights. I said it would tow fine down the road. There is a point that the length comes into play. The 32.5 Avion I towed with a similar truck as yours was my personal limit on length. I had a close call with it going down a grade coming into Palm Springs when a gust of wind hit me. Not a good feeling! I felt that any more surface area and it may not have turned out so well!

[Mile_High]

That truck fits that trailer like Cinderella's slipper! Perfect!

[rattleNsmoke]

I have a 37.6 CC and have had no issues towing for upwards of 12k miles.

[Jack_Diane_Free]

We towed a 36ft 5er with a 2008 F350 short box, SRW for thousands of miles all over the east of Canada and US without any issues.

[C-Bears]

I think you will have plenty of truck for that trailer, but you actually will not know until you are loaded and you visit the scales. If you want to know for sure and be exact then you need to weigh your truck first (loaded with fuel and passengers for the road). Then hook up and take your combination over the scales. There are easy formulas you can then use to get all your numbers in an easy to understand format, plus you will have your exact pin percent.

I have a SRW 1-ton short box. There is another guy that is also full time, tows my exact same model/year fiver, but has a DRW 1-ton long bed. Our weights are different, for example his pin weight is more than mine.

My point here is you have to actually weigh your units before you know if you are within limits. We can all guess, which based on what you have posted it looks like you would be okay, but it is still a guess.

[wandering1]

Focus on weight not length. Your decision you have the numbers.

[leggy]

We have a srw f350 and pull a 40 ft fw. We have no problems with handling, pulling or stopping. Also, we don't have a slider hitch with short bed crew and no problems....at least so far.