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Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

IAMICHABOD
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While researching these pages for my next Motor Home I saw a few threads discussing Rentals, most were Pros and Cons but very few posts from people who had purchased one.

I thought it may be a good resource and helpful to hear from these people. The good, the bad, what they liked and what they didnโ€™t. Also if they had any problems, things they changed, if they would recommend this to others or do it again.

Here is my story: I am not a novice, having owned a Class A for more than 15 years and doing the camping thing with my wife and two daughters, I can say โ€œbeen there done thatโ€ But life changes, and I sold everything so I have been away from this for several years. Starting over I lurked here for a while and got a lot of good insight then went looking.

My criteria was: A Class C within by budget, less than 30 feet so I can keep it at home, saving storage $, a rear bed, and a lot of storage space.

What fit that was Winnebago, Fleetwood and a few others, what I found mostly was Jamboree / Tioga 26Q. In the year models 2002 thru 2006. I did my home work looking at NADA and other sites to find the fair prices for the models that I was looking for.

After several months of searching the internet, Craigslist, private ads and Dealerships for a Class C that suited my budget and needs, this is what I found. Of the dozen or so I inquired about.Most were upsidedown in their payments, owing more than they were worth. All were on Ford Chassis, 7 needed tires, all had the original 7 to 10 year old tires, and they all needed repair of the awning and most needed some work inside or out and the maintenance records were sketchy, but most had low mileage. The Dealerships offerings were better but they had a profit margin to maintain so I got older models within my budget or huge up sales that didnโ€™t work for me.

My next step was looking at the rental market for sales. In my area there are 2 large companies that have rental sales, Cruise America and El Monte RV,who also sell Class A RVs.

First up was El Monte RV Their units are production RVs that are made by major manufactures, with TV antennas and hookups inside and out, Ducted A/C and heat, 2 house batteries, a rear ladder and parts are readily available from those manufactureโ€™s. I looked at their web site and it detailed their warranty and what was checked and serviced by their factory trained technicians. The unit I looked at was like new inside, the upholstery on all the seats was new as was the floor mat in the driverโ€™s area, it had a new mattress, still in plastic and a new bedspread. All of the curtains were new also. Newer (2010 mfg date) tires with 98% rubber and the mileage was ninety thousand (90,000).

Then there was Cruise America: Their units that I looked at seemed to be Spartan,no TV antenna or hookups for one,non-ducted A/C,small counter space and only one battery, no rear ladder for inspection and maintenance of roof and built just for them, they were all โ€œrefreshedโ€ their words not mine. They offered extended warranties at a huge cost. All had high mileage, one hundred and thirty thousand (130,000) or more and the price range seemed a little high. The sales staff had a take it or leave it attitude and were not very forthcoming when asked about maintenance records and service,they claim to have proprietary info in those records,It doesn't seem to be a problem for El Monte RV.

At El Monte RV I took a test ride; This Unit was a 2006 Tioga 26Q on a Chevrolet Chassis it rode
Drove and handled much better than the Fords that I had driven. It also had more leg room and was quieter. We got back and I asked about the service and maintenance on it, the salesman, Joey, handed me a 28 page single spaced document asked if I wanted some coffee or something to drink and said โ€œread this and if you have any questions I will answer themโ€.

It detailed everything that was done before and after each rental, the mileage, generator hours and hours billed. Each time it was washed and detailed inside and outside, all fluids were checked and replenished if needed, the holding tanks were washed, LP system was checked for leaks, all torque on wheel lugs were checked, brakes front and rear checked for wear and cracks, pressure in tires, all appliances, generator oil, lights inside and outside, the list goes on and on.

It also listed all oil changes,coolant change,trans service,fuel injector service and cleaning,fuel filters,air filter, new brakes, all repairs and replacements all with date, mileage and time spent in complete detail from day one to when it was pulled from the rental fleet and was refurbished. I have a complete service record on this vehicle.Also the service records on the Onan Generator,all oil changes,air filter and spark plug replacement with hours and date. I negotiated a good deal with them and am very happy with my purchase.

It came with a 1 yr. 12000 mile power train warranty and 30 day on all appliances. It also came with a 28 page maintenance record that detailed everything. Also the original sales packet from Fleetwood with the manual and serial numbers on all appliances,refrigerator, microwave,furnace, AC, water heater, etc. and the manual for the Chassis. I have had no problems with it so far.

(ON EDIT) 5 Years and close to 14000 miles.Just Scheduled Maintenance and new tires,old ones were at the 5 year mark and I wanted new Michelin LTX M/S2s.

There were a few things that it didnโ€™t have as it was a rental and the ones from private parties did have.
โ€ข Power steps, outside Stereo/CD donโ€™t need or want them.
โ€ข An Awning, this I wanted and had installed. A Swivel Seat and a new Window in The Door that I installed.
โ€ข Wheel Simulators, I like the looks so I had them installed and at the same time had Tire Man valve stem kit put on.
โ€ข Replaced the Chinese WFCO with a US Made converter/charger
โ€ข It came with mini blinds and not the day/night that most have, these are more practical and have a lot less failure.
  • It also came with Stainless Steel sinks,easier to maintain than the cheap plastic ones that come in the noncommercial units.

I am very happy with my Rig, it suites my needs and it was in my Budget range, I think I got a good deal.

So if you bought a rental please share your experience here for others to use as a resource.
Or if there are any other questions that have not been covered in these pages, just ask, there are many helpful people on this thread.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C
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gotsmart
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bigcitypopo wrote:
My mom just bought a 4winds 2007 23a from cruiseamerica. 165k on it... Ya high miles... But it NADA at $30k... Bought it for $14k. Thing was completely resealed and redone. New tires, brakes, batteries. Rebuilt genny, led lights. Backup sensors, solar battery maintainer. Water pump .... I went through the whole thing.... Solid unit. I'm gonna do shocks...

Great buy for my mom.... I'm the rv guy.. She just wants to tag along

Have the roof inspected. My 2005 CA 28R's roof was at end of life and had a side-to-side seam across the middle. Without a ladder on the back of the CA motorhomes, it is easy to overlook the condition of the roof.
2005 Cruise America 28R (Four Winds 28R) on a 2004 Ford E450 SD 6.8L V10 4R100
2009 smart fortwo Passion with Roadmaster "Falcon 2" towbar & tail light kit - pictures

bigcitypopo
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Ya, it kinda rides like a uhaul. Lol...

But it's really setup nice. All new plumbing... Nice norcold fridge. The a/c isn't ducted but works great. They did a great job on the refurb. I looked a few of the rv's in progress of being setup for sale. They had checklists, and many work orders for new parts. My buddies family has an rv dealership that serviced many of these units. Cruise America always bought new parts and paid for quality service to be done... Their attitude was to fix it right the first time...
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jgorm1
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I don't own a rental, but I've been in a few of them for trips. Both of them were beat down pretty hard (RV america). They rattled like crazy, like an old city bus where you are worried about the windows falling out. I think rv america had the vendor make them extra cheap for them. It looks like some of you scored, but the rentals down here in san diego are beat pretty hard. We briefly considered them due to the much lower price, but passed on them in the end.

bigcitypopo
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My mom just bought a 4winds 2007 23a from cruiseamerica. 165k on it... Ya high miles... But it NADA at $30k... Bought it for $14k. Thing was completely resealed and redone. New tires, brakes, batteries. Rebuilt genny, led lights. Backup sensors, solar battery maintainer. Water pump .... I went through the whole thing.... Solid unit. I'm gonna do shocks...

Great buy for my mom.... I'm the rv guy.. She just wants to tag along
2014 RAM 2500 BigHorn CrewCab 4x2 ShortBox, 6.7L CTD
2014 Keystone Springdale 294bhssrwe - Hensley Arrow!
The best wife, 2 kids and a bunch of fun

epmes
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Great thread. Thanks for keeping this alive; it remains relevant.

We bought our 2012 Thor Chateau 28Z about a month ago, from Tacoma RV here in Washington. They have a small rental fleet and sell the units after a season or two. Ours had 8,500 miles on it, but was available at about half of the original list price. And yes, I realize that list price doesn't equal retail. ๐Ÿ™‚

So far, so good! We did have a minor roof leak, but thankfully the dealer took care of it quickly. I was about to Eternabond all the seams myself, but the dealer found the o-ring on the TV antenna had slipped. Good catch there. He even replaced my cushions and topped off the gas (for my trouble).

I've had to fix a few minor things--like tightening the kitchen plumbing--but otherwise it's been a great experience. I felt much safer buying an RV with less than 10K miles from a local dealer than I would have felt buying one from a national rental chain with 10x the miles and a few more rental years.
2012 Thor Chateau "Noof" 28Z

IAMICHABOD
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Getmoving

That sounds great,When I started my girls were 6 and 9 and it was nice for them to have their own bed and they really enjoyed the whole camping experience.

Please check back in and tell us how it all goes. Ill be happy to answer any questions.

Good Luck
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

getmoving
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Thank you both for the reply. I forgot to mention that we already have a tiny Starcraft AR-ONE that we would be trading in.

IAMICHABOD, We will make sure to ask about the MFG warranty and the appliances.

Paullac, They have a 2008 Sunseeker, 28 ft, with 22,000 miles on it on consignment for 58K. We checked it out but weren't impressed. It had an entertainment center, but we like the bunk in the Freedom Elite as we have two girls ages 8 and 10.

paullac
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getmoving wrote:
We are making our mind up on buying a 2012 Thor Freedom Elite 31R with 50,000 miles (rental) on it from Camping World for roughly $57 K, and that's with taxes and all this weekend. Its nice, looks clean and smells new except for a few cosmetic scuffs inside. They are rotating and balancing the tires, tossing in a spare and a few other tidbits. Does this sound like a decent deal? We still have to read over the service records before we give the final go though. This would be our 1st Class C.


I don't think it's a good deal. We didn't pay that much more for a brand new one last August through RVDirect ('13 Sunseeker 3100 so about same size).
All previous rigs below are sold - waiting until the kids graduate to the buy the next one!
'13 Forest River Sunseeker 3100 Class C
'04 Fleetwood Sedona Pop Up / Reese Mini 350 / Prodigy / BAL
'94 Coleman Cedar Pop Up

IAMICHABOD
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It would seem that is a good deal according to the Nada Guide.
That is the guide I used when looking for my RV as listed in the original post. Nada Price Guide For Yours

I would check the date on the tires and make sure they are not old but on a 2012 I would doubt that that would be a problem.

Just remember to check out all the appliances and find out what kind of guarantee they offer on them and get a complete service record.

Also since this is a 2012 it still should be under MFG Warranty make sure it is transferable to you and have that done,on a Ford I think it is 100000 miles or 10 years,but ask. The house part is probably still under warranty too. If they are not transferable I would walk away.

They may try to sell you an extended warranty these are for the most part not worth the money you spend on them,and are full of exceptions and fine print.

Ask a lot of questions.

If any more Questions just ask or send me a PM
Good Luck.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

getmoving
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We are making our mind up on buying a 2012 Thor Freedom Elite 31R with 50,000 miles (rental) on it from Camping World for roughly $57 K, and that's with taxes and all this weekend. Its nice, looks clean and smells new except for a few cosmetic scuffs inside. They are rotating and balancing the tires, tossing in a spare and a few other tidbits. Does this sound like a decent deal? We still have to read over the service records before we give the final go though. This would be our 1st Class C.

NTORACN
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IAMICHABOD wrote:
NTORACN wrote:


As an automotive tech by trade, my wife was shocked when I purchased the first Ford I have owned since I was 16 years old. I have always been an avid GM guy, have lately been moving to the Toyota camp for the car stuff and KTM's for the bikes I ride. I was pretty happy with the Ford 5.4L V8 reliabilty, but the thing had zero torque below 2,500 rpm. Above 3,500 rpm, it would climb anything. The 6.0L in my GM is a torque monster that can pull most any grade and hold its speed in overdrive. A nice change. The Ford engine have spark plug problems that ALWAYS made me nervous when on the road, a problem I no longer fret when leaving home with a GM chassis. Both units were built by Tioga and are very solid homes that don't flex when going down the road like my 1986 33' Class A did. The roof's and sidewalls on these units are very strong and make the unit a pleasure to drive. What is the GCWR of your chassis? My door sticker is missing and I want to find out this info before towing my FJ40 with it.

Randy


Randy that is great to hear nice things on the Chevy chassis like mine.

The GCWR in that chassis is 17550 LBS If it is like mine,a 2006 Tioga on a Chevy Chassis and it seems to be.

I have a copy of the CARGO CARRYING CAPACITY for this rig I found it inside the closet pasted to the wall you might look there or PM me and I will send you a copy of mine.

Gary


Thanks Gary,

I sent you an email. I would love to get a copy of whatever you have to help shed light on what this chassis can handle.

Cheers

IAMICHABOD
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NTORACN wrote:


As an automotive tech by trade, my wife was shocked when I purchased the first Ford I have owned since I was 16 years old. I have always been an avid GM guy, have lately been moving to the Toyota camp for the car stuff and KTM's for the bikes I ride. I was pretty happy with the Ford 5.4L V8 reliabilty, but the thing had zero torque below 2,500 rpm. Above 3,500 rpm, it would climb anything. The 6.0L in my GM is a torque monster that can pull most any grade and hold its speed in overdrive. A nice change. The Ford engine have spark plug problems that ALWAYS made me nervous when on the road, a problem I no longer fret when leaving home with a GM chassis. Both units were built by Tioga and are very solid homes that don't flex when going down the road like my 1986 33' Class A did. The roof's and sidewalls on these units are very strong and make the unit a pleasure to drive. What is the GCWR of your chassis? My door sticker is missing and I want to find out this info before towing my FJ40 with it.

Randy


Randy that is great to hear nice things on the Chevy chassis like mine.

The GCWR in that chassis is 17550 LBS If it is like mine,a 2006 Tioga on a Chevy Chassis and it seems to be.

I have a copy of the CARGO CARRYING CAPACITY for this rig I found it inside the closet pasted to the wall you might look there or PM me and I will send you a copy of mine.

Gary
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

NTORACN
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IAMICHABOD wrote:
It is nice to hear from actual OWNERS of former rentals.

Like NTORACN that has had good luck and seems to be very happy with not one but 2 former rentals. And it is a CHEVY to boot...

Keep the good vibes commin.


As an automotive tech by trade, my wife was shocked when I purchased the first Ford I have owned since I was 16 years old. I have always been an avid GM guy, have lately been moving to the Toyota camp for the car stuff and KTM's for the bikes I ride. I was pretty happy with the Ford 5.4L V8 reliabilty, but the thing had zero torque below 2,500 rpm. Above 3,500 rpm, it would climb anything. The 6.0L in my GM is a torque monster that can pull most any grade and hold its speed in overdrive. A nice change. The Ford engine have spark plug problems that ALWAYS made me nervous when on the road, a problem I no longer fret when leaving home with a GM chassis. Both units were built by Tioga and are very solid homes that don't flex when going down the road like my 1986 33' Class A did. The roof's and sidewalls on these units are very strong and make the unit a pleasure to drive. What is the GCWR of your chassis? My door sticker is missing and I want to find out this info before towing my FJ40 with it.

Randy

IAMICHABOD
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It is nice to hear from actual OWNERS of former rentals.

Like NTORACN that has had good luck and seems to be very happy with not one but 2 former rentals. And it is a CHEVY to boot...

Keep the good vibes commin.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

ironwood6058
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Bordercollie wrote:
I wonder what kind of resale value a high mileage ex-rental will have when you want to sell it to the next buyer. Seems to me that there are a lot of gizmos in any rig that have limited useful life along with big ticket items like the roof A/C and fridge, awniing, tires, engine cooling system, brakes, transmission, suspension, etc. Expect to start spending some money on items as they reach around 7 years old. If you can fix or replace most things yourself that makes a difference.


Balance those concerns with the reality of depreciation and potential negative equity on a new rig.
2006 Four Winds Majestic 28A