Class A design suggestions

Agree. Want to replace our Rexhall but hate giving up the 11 windows. It was from the "white carpet era" though and I replaced it with laminate myself. White carpet is not compatible with camping.

rk911 wrote:

Wiscampsin wrote:
Link to Newmar's bathroom emergency door with ladder. Great idea IMHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_CQhfnNAaU

better than nothing but a retractable set of steps like those at the main entrance would be better in an emergency for people (who may be paniced) with mobility issues. bathroom, bedroom...doesn’t make much difference.

This is AWESOME!! All RV's should have it.

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Chum lee wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Mile High wrote:

rk911 wrote:

Mile High wrote:

Chum lee wrote:


If you really believed that your life was in eminent danger, would you get into a motor home, or any other form of transportation? Please, . . . . a little dramatic don't ya think?


Chum lee

:) I agree

A 737-900 has 8 exit doors, but somehow that never really offered me any confidence I was going to live!

better to have it than not.

Not necessarily.

If we are talking airplanes, many commercial airliners have hit the dirt as a result of door failures, so their surviving families would probably disagree with you.

On the MH I would be indifferent as to whether it was there or not, as long as I had some form of escape window. If it resulted in compromises to storage or other features, I would probably sacrifice the door for the other feature.

Do you have any citations where the failure of a plane's exit doors was considered the cause of the crash? I couldn't find any with a quick Google search. Closest was the failure of the cargo door on a cargo jet. It is my understanding that even if a door failed, it would not compromise the ability of a commercial jet to fly. It would be uncomfortable as heck for the passengers, but the structural integrity of the plane would not be in jeopardy.

Without putting words in OP's mouth, my take was that the exits referred to in his (maybe slightly sarcastic) given scenario, may not be worth anything at all, no matter how many there are.

Search: Wikipedia Aloha Airlines Flight 243 April 26, 1988 It's not a door failure specifically, it's more a major structural failure. In that case the roof of the aircraft becomes the door, well, . . . . more like a skylight. Many injuries, but, only 1 fatality. Aircraft landed safely.

With regard to exits on airplanes, there have been numerous incidents of agitated passengers trying to open exits at very inopportune times. Clearly, a life threatening event in itself. I don't have any specific cases to cite, but, I'm sure they are out there if you look.

Chum lee

Commercial aircraft doors open inward. It is impossible to open a door while the plane is airborne. The force created by pressurizing the cabin makes it physically impossible for anyone to open the doors while in flight. Google truly is your friend.

Do you have anything of value to add to this thread or do you just like to embarrass yourself?

If you research Aloha Airlines Flight 243, please ask yourself what the inflight cabin pressure is after the referenced inflight anomaly occurs.

Then watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO2wkubIsGc

Ever wonder why the FAA requires oxygen masks at every seating position and a brief instructional demonstration at the beginning of every flight?

It is true that the "plug type" passenger doors found on the 737 first open inward to take pressure off the door seals, then they open outward to provide clearance in the exit corridor. It is true that there are inflight interlocks that were designed to prevent opening the door when inflight, but ya see, were talking an inflight emergency here, not business as usual. Over and over again its been proven that people do incredibly irrational things when in a state of panic, and often systems don't work, or, nowadays, get hacked. In fact, there is an established procedure to open the cabin doors inflight in the event of fire/smoke in the cabin. That's all I'll say about that here. D. B. Cooper figured it out! Google that. I am a pilot.

It's also true that Google is everyone's friend, but, with limitations. Google provides information at your fingertips. As of yet, Google does not provide comprehension or understanding. Reading comprehension generally comes from successfully navigating grades K thru 12. Understanding generally comes from higher education and experience.

Chum lee (over and out on this thread)

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Chum lee wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Mile High wrote:

rk911 wrote:

Mile High wrote:

Chum lee wrote:


If you really believed that your life was in eminent danger, would you get into a motor home, or any other form of transportation? Please, . . . . a little dramatic don't ya think?


Chum lee

:) I agree

A 737-900 has 8 exit doors, but somehow that never really offered me any confidence I was going to live!

better to have it than not.

Not necessarily.

If we are talking airplanes, many commercial airliners have hit the dirt as a result of door failures, so their surviving families would probably disagree with you.

On the MH I would be indifferent as to whether it was there or not, as long as I had some form of escape window. If it resulted in compromises to storage or other features, I would probably sacrifice the door for the other feature.

Do you have any citations where the failure of a plane's exit doors was considered the cause of the crash? I couldn't find any with a quick Google search. Closest was the failure of the cargo door on a cargo jet. It is my understanding that even if a door failed, it would not compromise the ability of a commercial jet to fly. It would be uncomfortable as heck for the passengers, but the structural integrity of the plane would not be in jeopardy.

Without putting words in OP's mouth, my take was that the exits referred to in his (maybe slightly sarcastic) given scenario, may not be worth anything at all, no matter how many there are.

Search: Wikipedia Aloha Airlines Flight 243 April 26, 1988 It's not a door failure specifically, it's more a major structural failure. In that case the roof of the aircraft becomes the door, well, . . . . more like a skylight. Many injuries, but, only 1 fatality. Aircraft landed safely.

With regard to exits on airplanes, there have been numerous incidents of agitated passengers trying to open exits at very inopportune times. Clearly, a life threatening event in itself. I don't have any specific cases to cite, but, I'm sure they are out there if you look.

Chum lee

Commercial aircraft doors open inward. It is impossible to open a door while the plane is airborne. The force created by pressurizing the cabin makes it physically impossible for anyone to open the doors while in flight. Google truly is your friend.

Can we give this a friggen rest campground owner! I'm now so sorry I ever brought it up, as it is really distracting from the topic. Chum Lee made the comment that the rear exit is overkill, and I agreed, adding (in jest pretty much) that it was about as worthless as exits on an airplane, which are worthless the majority of the time. I also just watched worst air disasters where the cargo door didn't latch and brought down an airliner recently, which led to may last comment (also somewhat in jest) - but in reality none of it contributes anything to the topic. If you want to win, you can win! Let's drop it off the topic.

No one ever want's to pay for safety, that's why the vendors push the legislators to make it law first. Then you don't have a choice unfortunately.

dougrainer wrote:
Thanks for the Tiffin option. I have been and still a Tiffin Dealer tech for 38 years. Have NEVER seen that option. I asked one of our long time Salesman about this exit. He said, NOBODY has ever optioned it and when he has asked when spec'ing out if they wanted this option, they stated NO, they do not want to pay the upgrade cost. So, even tho some OEM's offer a BETTER solution, the buying public has their say and it is NO. Doug

Doug,
Does not surprise me. In America, we want everything but do not want to pay for it. I see many complaints that they do not like rolling out a window but when provided an option, they are not willing to pay. We are also in denial that it won't happen to me.

Chum lee wrote:

AllegroD wrote:
Tiffin has an option for an Egress Hatch behind the headboard.
This is their AB.
Outside - Closed


Inside - Headboard in place.


Inside - Headboard removed


Inside - Egress open



Outside - Egress open


Outside - Egress open2

OK, so you can plan you exit, but can you plan your failure? What happens in one of the more common RV accidents? Catastrophic failure (blowout) of the right or left front tires. Driver then over corrects resulting in the vehicle rolling and coming to rest on one side. If its the driver side, your emergency exit is now blocked and your main exit is now on the ceiling. Your best choice for an emergency exit in this case would have been on the ceiling (of the RV) which is now on the side of the RV. Same thing in reverse.

What if the slides need to be extended in order to access the stateroom/bathroom and you crash head on blocking the front exit? What good is your extra stateroom/bathroom exit now?

There are literally thousands of crash scenario iterations that could be correct, . . . . . or totally wrong given the specific crash scenario. That's why statistics are important. They help designers determine the most likely or best case solutions and what should be done to correct them. Worthwhile statistics are generated from past experience. Not current wish lists/opinions. Unfortunately, sometimes people die generating good statistics. Like it or not, that's reality folks!

Chum lee

How do you plan for everything?

Chum lee wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Mile High wrote:

rk911 wrote:

Mile High wrote:

Chum lee wrote:


If you really believed that your life was in eminent danger, would you get into a motor home, or any other form of transportation? Please, . . . . a little dramatic don't ya think?


Chum lee

:) I agree

A 737-900 has 8 exit doors, but somehow that never really offered me any confidence I was going to live!

better to have it than not.

Not necessarily.

If we are talking airplanes, many commercial airliners have hit the dirt as a result of door failures, so their surviving families would probably disagree with you.

On the MH I would be indifferent as to whether it was there or not, as long as I had some form of escape window. If it resulted in compromises to storage or other features, I would probably sacrifice the door for the other feature.

Do you have any citations where the failure of a plane's exit doors was considered the cause of the crash? I couldn't find any with a quick Google search. Closest was the failure of the cargo door on a cargo jet. It is my understanding that even if a door failed, it would not compromise the ability of a commercial jet to fly. It would be uncomfortable as heck for the passengers, but the structural integrity of the plane would not be in jeopardy.

Without putting words in OP's mouth, my take was that the exits referred to in his (maybe slightly sarcastic) given scenario, may not be worth anything at all, no matter how many there are.

Search: Wikipedia Aloha Airlines Flight 243 April 26, 1988 It's not a door failure specifically, it's more a major structural failure. In that case the roof of the aircraft becomes the door, well, . . . . more like a skylight. Many injuries, but, only 1 fatality. Aircraft landed safely.

With regard to exits on airplanes, there have been numerous incidents of agitated passengers trying to open exits at very inopportune times. Clearly, a life threatening event in itself. I don't have any specific cases to cite, but, I'm sure they are out there if you look.

Chum lee

Commercial aircraft doors open inward. It is impossible to open a door while the plane is airborne. The force created by pressurizing the cabin makes it physically impossible for anyone to open the doors while in flight. Google truly is your friend.

Thanks for the Tiffin option. I have been and still a Tiffin Dealer tech for 38 years. Have NEVER seen that option. I asked one of our long time Salesman about this exit. He said, NOBODY has ever optioned it and when he has asked when spec'ing out if they wanted this option, they stated NO, they do not want to pay the upgrade cost. So, even tho some OEM's offer a BETTER solution, the buying public has their say and it is NO. Doug

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Mile High wrote:

rk911 wrote:

Mile High wrote:

Chum lee wrote:


If you really believed that your life was in eminent danger, would you get into a motor home, or any other form of transportation? Please, . . . . a little dramatic don't ya think?


Chum lee

:) I agree

A 737-900 has 8 exit doors, but somehow that never really offered me any confidence I was going to live!

better to have it than not.

Not necessarily.

If we are talking airplanes, many commercial airliners have hit the dirt as a result of door failures, so their surviving families would probably disagree with you.

On the MH I would be indifferent as to whether it was there or not, as long as I had some form of escape window. If it resulted in compromises to storage or other features, I would probably sacrifice the door for the other feature.

Do you have any citations where the failure of a plane's exit doors was considered the cause of the crash? I couldn't find any with a quick Google search. Closest was the failure of the cargo door on a cargo jet. It is my understanding that even if a door failed, it would not compromise the ability of a commercial jet to fly. It would be uncomfortable as heck for the passengers, but the structural integrity of the plane would not be in jeopardy.

Without putting words in OP's mouth, my take was that the exits referred to in his (maybe slightly sarcastic) given scenario, may not be worth anything at all, no matter how many there are.

Search: Wikipedia Aloha Airlines Flight 243 April 26, 1988 It's not a door failure specifically, it's more a major structural failure. In that case the roof of the aircraft becomes the door, well, . . . . more like a skylight. Many injuries, but, only 1 fatality. Aircraft landed safely.

With regard to exits on airplanes, there have been numerous incidents of agitated passengers trying to open exits at very inopportune times. Clearly, a life threatening event in itself. I don't have any specific cases to cite, but, I'm sure they are out there if you look.

Chum lee