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Jim_Stehn
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Jun 27, 2015

What has happened to Winnebago Quality?

I am a dedicated and loyal Winnebago motor home owner. I purchased my third new Adventurer several months ago. My first a 2000 35U, my second a 2005 38R, and my latest a 2015 38Q. I purchase Winnebago products because of the superior workmanship, design, and engineering. But I am very disappointed in my 2015 38Q. It does not measure up to the high standards I have come to expect from Winnebago. In terms of workmanship, cabinet doors are warped and misaligned, latches improperly installed, switches miss wired, screws in the bathroom light fixture not seated & heads stripped, window casing damaged, the main door holder was not installed, and in one bathroom, the gas heat duct was not even connected. . Where was Quality in all this? And most distressing of all, in nearly every case, the installer knew the job was not done right and let it go. In terms of design and engineering, the thermostat remote temperature sensors are located above the gas heat floor vents, ignoring the most basic principle of HVAC design. In one bathroom, the light switches are mounted above the fan and pump switches. In the opposing bathroom, the light switches are mounted below the fan and pump switches. How unnecessarily confusing is that? The Ideal Rest bed is a poor substitute for the Sleep Number bed in terms of ease of use. The controls are hard to use and the corded control is an unnecessary nuisance. The galley faucet runs slow and I called Customer Relations to inquire about it. Not only did Winnebago not know the specification for flowrate but gave me the name of the manufacture which turned out to be the supplier not the manufacturer and a part number that no one recognized. A major disappointment in your Configuration Management system which I have so often lauded. This whole experience has severely eroded my loyalty.

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I purchased my third new Adventurer several months ago. My first a 2000 35U, my second a 2005 38R, and my latest a 2015 38Q. I purchase Winnebago products because of the superior workmanship, design, and engineering. But I am very disappointed in my 2015 38Q. It does not measure up to the high standards I have come to expect from Winnebago. In terms of workmanship, cabinet doors are warped and misaligned, latches improperly installed, switches miss wired, screws in the bathroom light fixture not seated & heads stripped, window casing damaged, the main door holder was not installed, and in one bathroom, the gas heat duct was not even connected. . Where was Quality in all this? And most distressing of all, in nearly every case, the installer knew the job was not done right and let it go. In terms of design and engineering, the thermostat remote temperature sensors are located above the gas heat floor vents, ignoring the most basic principle of HVAC design. In one bathroom, the light switches are mounted above the fan and pump switches. In the opposing bathroom, the light switches are mounted below the fan and pump switches. How unnecessarily confusing is that? The Ideal Rest bed is a poor substitute for the Sleep Number bed in terms of ease of use. The controls are hard to use and the corded control is an unnecessary nuisance. The galley faucet runs slow and I called Customer Relations to inquire about it. Not only did Winnebago not know the specification for flowrate but gave me the name of the manufacture which turned out to be the supplier not the manufacturer and a part number that no one recognized. A major disappointment in your Configuration Management system which I have so often lauded. This whole experience has severely eroded my loyalty.","body@stringLength":"1853","rawBody":"I am a dedicated and loyal Winnebago motor home owner. I purchased my third new Adventurer several months ago. My first a 2000 35U, my second a 2005 38R, and my latest a 2015 38Q. I purchase Winnebago products because of the superior workmanship, design, and engineering. But I am very disappointed in my 2015 38Q. It does not measure up to the high standards I have come to expect from Winnebago. In terms of workmanship, cabinet doors are warped and misaligned, latches improperly installed, switches miss wired, screws in the bathroom light fixture not seated & heads stripped, window casing damaged, the main door holder was not installed, and in one bathroom, the gas heat duct was not even connected. . Where was Quality in all this? And most distressing of all, in nearly every case, the installer knew the job was not done right and let it go. In terms of design and engineering, the thermostat remote temperature sensors are located above the gas heat floor vents, ignoring the most basic principle of HVAC design. In one bathroom, the light switches are mounted above the fan and pump switches. In the opposing bathroom, the light switches are mounted below the fan and pump switches. How unnecessarily confusing is that? The Ideal Rest bed is a poor substitute for the Sleep Number bed in terms of ease of use. The controls are hard to use and the corded control is an unnecessary nuisance. The galley faucet runs slow and I called Customer Relations to inquire about it. Not only did Winnebago not know the specification for flowrate but gave me the name of the manufacture which turned out to be the supplier not the manufacturer and a part number that no one recognized. A major disappointment in your Configuration Management system which I have so often lauded. 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AstroRig57 wrote:
Gonzo42 wrote:
Speaking from a manufacturing engineer's point of view, I see very little of the attention to serviceability in mind. There are thousands of us out there who would prefer to work on our own vehicles, but access, special tools, lack of manuals, etc. make difficulties.


I don't know if you'll come back to this thread but ask and ye shall receive. Winnebago is absolutely the best manufacturer for providing access to Operators, Parts, and Service manuals. The parts manual for your coach can be found here....all 160 pages of it. http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/wincd/2008/8wd524h.pdf

A Google search of part numbers usually brings up multiple hits on where they can be found including from Winnebago Outdoors.

Parts manuals, plumbing and wiring diagrams, paint codes....it can all be found here.

http://winnebagoind.com/resources/manuals/
Try getting Winnebago parts last two weeks of December or first two weeks of January! The factory is closed for Christmas and New Years. Our coach was wrecked (a run away truck hit it) and we were hung up over a month trying to get parts!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-18T21:57:49.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-18T21:57:49.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":662},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1842470/message:1842535","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1454","rawBody":"
AstroRig57 wrote:
Gonzo42 wrote:
Speaking from a manufacturing engineer's point of view, I see very little of the attention to serviceability in mind. There are thousands of us out there who would prefer to work on our own vehicles, but access, special tools, lack of manuals, etc. make difficulties.


I don't know if you'll come back to this thread but ask and ye shall receive. Winnebago is absolutely the best manufacturer for providing access to Operators, Parts, and Service manuals. The parts manual for your coach can be found here....all 160 pages of it. http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/wincd/2008/8wd524h.pdf

A Google search of part numbers usually brings up multiple hits on where they can be found including from Winnebago Outdoors.

Parts manuals, plumbing and wiring diagrams, paint codes....it can all be found here.

http://winnebagoind.com/resources/manuals/
Try getting Winnebago parts last two weeks of December or first two weeks of January! The factory is closed for Christmas and New Years. Our coach was wrecked (a run away truck hit it) and we were hung up over a month trying to get parts!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1842535_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:43008":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:43008","uid":43008,"login":"creeper","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-12-22T21:52:36.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:43008"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842534":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1842534","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1842534":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:43008"},"id":"message:1842534","revisionNum":1,"uid":1842534,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1842470"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1842470"},"subject":"Re: What has happened to Winnebago Quality?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842534"},"body":"
Jim Stehn wrote:
. In terms of workmanship, cabinet doors are warped and misaligned, latches improperly installed, switches miss wired, screws in the bathroom light fixture not seated & heads stripped, window casing damaged, the main door holder was not installed, and in one bathroom, the gas heat duct was not even connected. .


Had all your issues and more with our 2015 38q, infant it's been int he shop of the last 5 months.

CW and Winnebago have been very helpful.

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Jim Stehn wrote:
. In terms of workmanship, cabinet doors are warped and misaligned, latches improperly installed, switches miss wired, screws in the bathroom light fixture not seated & heads stripped, window casing damaged, the main door holder was not installed, and in one bathroom, the gas heat duct was not even connected. .


Had all your issues and more with our 2015 38q, infant it's been int he shop of the last 5 months.

CW and Winnebago have been very helpful.

Winnebago junk","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1842534_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:1417":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1417","uid":1417,"login":"AstroRig57","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-01-15T11:28:28.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1417"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842533":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1842533","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1842533":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1417"},"id":"message:1842533","revisionNum":1,"uid":1842533,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1842470"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1842470"},"subject":"Re: What has happened to Winnebago Quality?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842533"},"body":"
Gonzo42 wrote:
Speaking from a manufacturing engineer's point of view, I see very little of the attention to serviceability in mind. There are thousands of us out there who would prefer to work on our own vehicles, but access, special tools, lack of manuals, etc. make difficulties.


I don't know if you'll come back to this thread but ask and ye shall receive. Winnebago is absolutely the best manufacturer for providing access to Operators, Parts, and Service manuals. The parts manual for your coach can be found here....all 160 pages of it. http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/wincd/2008/8wd524h.pdf

A Google search of part numbers usually brings up multiple hits on where they can be found including from Winnebago Outdoors.

Parts manuals, plumbing and wiring diagrams, paint codes....it can all be found here.

http://winnebagoind.com/resources/manuals/","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-18T02:41:39.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-18T02:41:39.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":664},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1842470/message:1842533","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1167","rawBody":"
Gonzo42 wrote:
Speaking from a manufacturing engineer's point of view, I see very little of the attention to serviceability in mind. There are thousands of us out there who would prefer to work on our own vehicles, but access, special tools, lack of manuals, etc. make difficulties.


I don't know if you'll come back to this thread but ask and ye shall receive. Winnebago is absolutely the best manufacturer for providing access to Operators, Parts, and Service manuals. The parts manual for your coach can be found here....all 160 pages of it. http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/wincd/2008/8wd524h.pdf

A Google search of part numbers usually brings up multiple hits on where they can be found including from Winnebago Outdoors.

Parts manuals, plumbing and wiring diagrams, paint codes....it can all be found here.

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I do wish they would pick up the loose screws so I don't find them under a drawer and wonder if they came from a place important. SMACDEISEL-That new coach will be quite a leap for you. I like that Vista. For the money it is a nice coach.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-08-05T13:52:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-08-05T13:52:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":664},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1842470/message:1842532","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"357","rawBody":"Problem is in some cases the problem isn't evident until you bang along some of these horrible roads for a few months. I do wish they would pick up the loose screws so I don't find them under a drawer and wonder if they came from a place important. SMACDEISEL-That new coach will be quite a leap for you. I like that Vista. 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kab449 wrote:
Bottom line is that all manufacturers are going to have quality control problems because the coaches are made by imperfect human beings. The question then becomes \"which manufacturers will stand behind their product\". Do your homework.


That's an unacceptable excuse. They should have better quality control inspections and better trained managers and line employees. They can't just send them out the door and hope no one notices.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-08-05T13:46:27.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-08-05T13:46:27.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":663},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1842470/message:1842531","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"487","rawBody":"
kab449 wrote:
Bottom line is that all manufacturers are going to have quality control problems because the coaches are made by imperfect human beings. The question then becomes \"which manufacturers will stand behind their product\". Do your homework.


That's an unacceptable excuse. They should have better quality control inspections and better trained managers and line employees. They can't just send them out the door and hope no one notices.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1842531_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:210837":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:210837","uid":210837,"login":"smacdiesel","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-06-12T13:38:56.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:210837"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842530":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1842530","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1842530":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:210837"},"id":"message:1842530","revisionNum":1,"uid":1842530,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1842470"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1842470"},"subject":"Re: What has happened to Winnebago Quality?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842530"},"body":"My 2015 Winnebago Vista 35b has been stellar. Had only 5 warranty issues during the first year, all fixed by the dealer. But, it really is like every other MH in it's price range with basically the same components. My next coach will either be a Foretravel or Marathon Prevost, amazes me what junk is out there rolling down the highway. Ha ha","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-08-04T20:11:20.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-08-04T20:11:20.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":664},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1842470/message:1842530","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"345","rawBody":"My 2015 Winnebago Vista 35b has been stellar. Had only 5 warranty issues during the first year, all fixed by the dealer. But, it really is like every other MH in it's price range with basically the same components. My next coach will either be a Foretravel or Marathon Prevost, amazes me what junk is out there rolling down the highway. 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tropical36 wrote:
For some odd reason, certain manufactures can live on their name alone, for a very long time.
As for newness vs excellence in engineering, I'll always spend the same buck for something used and proven.
For example, I'll take a 2003 BB Wanderlodge for the same money, over a brand new coach of lesser quality, any day.



I agree with you 100%, but don't say that too loud in front of Newmar owners. Those are the best. :S","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-08-04T20:08:14.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-08-04T20:08:14.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":663},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1842470/message:1842528","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"494","rawBody":"
tropical36 wrote:
For some odd reason, certain manufactures can live on their name alone, for a very long time.
As for newness vs excellence in engineering, I'll always spend the same buck for something used and proven.
For example, I'll take a 2003 BB Wanderlodge for the same money, over a brand new coach of lesser quality, any day.



I agree with you 100%, but don't say that too loud in front of Newmar owners. Those are the best. :S","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1842528_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:1241":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1241","uid":1241,"login":"tropical36","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-07-11T20:20:43.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1241"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842527":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1842527","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1842527":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1241"},"id":"message:1842527","revisionNum":1,"uid":1842527,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1842470"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1842470"},"subject":"Re: What has happened to Winnebago Quality?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842527"},"body":"For some odd reason, certain manufactures can live on their name alone, for a very long time.
As for newness vs excellence in engineering, I'll always spend the same buck for something used and proven.
For example, I'll take a 2003 BB Wanderlodge for the same money, over a brand new coach of lesser quality, any day.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-08-04T19:50:09.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-08-04T19:50:09.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":663},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1842470/message:1842527","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"328","rawBody":"For some odd reason, certain manufactures can live on their name alone, for a very long time.
As for newness vs excellence in engineering, I'll always spend the same buck for something used and proven.
For example, I'll take a 2003 BB Wanderlodge for the same money, over a brand new coach of lesser quality, any day.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1842527_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842526":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1842526","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1842526":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:43008"},"id":"message:1842526","revisionNum":1,"uid":1842526,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1842470"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1842470"},"subject":"Re: What has happened to Winnebago Quality?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1842526"},"body":"We purchased a 38Q a couple of months ago and have to agree with you not he quality control issues. It's been in the shop now for 70 straight days fixing items. It really seems they have the slap it together and let the dealer fix it attitude. 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