AZ Governor Statement on RV Travel during Stay At Home order

Walaby wrote:
I appreciate the common sense thoughts and guidelines that appear present in the Az Gov's guidelines.

Love how many take "excerpts" from the various guidance being provided to paint it in a negative light. Seattle Steve - Thank you for providing the full context that physical activity, while maintaining social distancing, is essential.

Mike

That's because the "excerpts" are for things like barber shops and hair & nail salons. When he was asked about this in last nights town hall his answer was it was OK as long as they practiced social distancing which is clearly not possible. Sure there a lots of things on his exempt list that truly are. I have no problem with the golf courses or state park hiking trails or campgrounds. And I'm glad he imposed what he did, but there are some things that clearly don't belong on his exempt list.

aftermath wrote:

otrfun wrote:
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We have no accurate way to determine, realtime, how many people are actually infected with Covid-19. Many who are infected (and spreading the virus) show little to no symptoms. Without strict social distancing, the virus spreads in a silent, deadly, logarithmic fashion....end snip

The infection rate is growing exponentially, not logarithmically. There is a huge difference and I am basing my claim on all of the charts published to date. The "curve" is growing dramatically. When things start to slow down the growth curve will start to flatten and approach a horizontal line. This is when we will see the "logarithmic fashion" in the growth curve.

This hasn't happened yet in the US. Hopefully we will get there sooner (if we all contribute) or later (if we don't).The later part of the story is not a pretty one. Once "everyone" is infected, those who don't actually die will have some kind of immunity. Once the entire population is immune there will be no "new" cases. Not my favorite scenario.

Sadly, you may be right, a logarithmic infection rate may be a bit optimistic. However, we are both in agreement that the virus is spreading very quickly, silently, with deadly results.

Bottom line, the worst is just ahead. It'll come faster in some parts of the country, slower in others. The impact will be lessened in those areas that take a more serious approach to social distancing, and worse in those areas that do not.

otrfun wrote:
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We have no accurate way to determine, realtime, how many people are actually infected with Covid-19. Many who are infected (and spreading the virus) show little to no symptoms. Without strict social distancing, the virus spreads in a silent, deadly, logarithmic fashion....end snip

The infection rate is growing exponentially, not logarithmically. There is a huge difference and I am basing my claim on all of the charts published to date. The "curve" is growing dramatically. When things start to slow down the growth curve will start to flatten and approach a horizontal line. This is when we will see the "logarithmic fashion" in the growth curve.

This hasn't happened yet in the US. Hopefully we will get there sooner (if we all contribute) or later (if we don't).The later part of the story is not a pretty one. Once "everyone" is infected, those who don't actually die will have some kind of immunity. Once the entire population is immune there will be no "new" cases. Not my favorite scenario.

BarneyS wrote:

otrfun wrote:
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Is there something in AZ (and other states with lax social distancing) that makes them immune to what is currently taking place in NY's hospitals and ICUs?

Probably space. :)
Barney

The vast majority of folks in AZ live in the densely populated Phoenix and Tucson metro areas. The Grand Canyon and all those beautiful, wide-open, spacious, deserted, desert vistas (you may be referring to) are many, many miles away :(

otrfun wrote:
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Is there something in AZ (and other states with lax social distancing) that makes them immune to what is currently taking place in NY's hospitals and ICUs?

Probably space. :)
Barney

jdc1 wrote:
I have two daughters that live in Arizona. One in Phoenix, the other in Kingman. Arizona is three weeks behind the more progressive states. They are wholly unprepared of whats to come. They haven't the infrastucture to care for what's coming their way. With an older population, they will not be able to handle the amount of people that will need care.

Ditto.

We have no accurate way to determine, realtime, how many people are actually infected with Covid-19. Many who are infected (and spreading the virus) show little to no symptoms. Without strict social distancing, the virus spreads in a silent, deadly, logarithmic fashion.

The only way we'll know (with any sense of accuracy) how many people are infected, today, in any given area, is approx. 2-3 weeks from now. Common sense says you can't make effective decisions using data that is 2-3 weeks old. Due diligence says assume the worst and proceed accordingly.

The ONLY way to reduce the spread of this virus is with strict social distancing: Period. End-of-story. Wishful thinking cannot defy reality.

Is there something in AZ (and other states with lax social distancing) that makes them immune to what is currently taking place in NY's hospitals and ICUs?

I appreciate the common sense thoughts and guidelines that appear present in the Az Gov's guidelines.

Love how many take "excerpts" from the various guidance being provided to paint it in a negative light. Seattle Steve - Thank you for providing the full context that physical activity, while maintaining social distancing, is essential.

Mike

Good that AZ understands the needs of us full timers and that we are "Distancing" in our self contained house on wheels.

mich800 wrote:

JAC1982 wrote:
Golf courses here in CO are open even though we are on a stay at home order. The clubhouses are closed, you cannot rent a cart, and they turned the holes upside down so you don't reach in there to grab your ball. Flags are fixed too.

Not a golfer. Does that mean the hole is now shallower so the ball is up higher to grab?

Pretty much. There's also these ideas: https://www.golfadvisor.com/articles/cool-golf-things-coronavirus-cup-placement

JAC1982 wrote:
Golf courses here in CO are open even though we are on a stay at home order. The clubhouses are closed, you cannot rent a cart, and they turned the holes upside down so you don't reach in there to grab your ball. Flags are fixed too.

Not a golfer. Does that mean the hole is now shallower so the ball is up higher to grab?