Cops and loud music draws gunfire at campground

Boy, and you think Mexico is rough.

JJBIRISH wrote:
hunters homes more explosive than any meth-lab…

:E :S There's the 1st Amendment being abused :R

down home wrote:

JJBIRISH wrote:
Examples of 2 extremes that do nothing but divide… one wants , demands has rights with no more responsibility than the cash to pay for it… another claiming there is no automatic right…

The issues are not easy and the quoting of the founding fathers is almost laughable insomuch as they could have never envisioned the weapons available and where the line is or should be drawn today… and yes the line needs drawn in more definitive terms than the founding fathers could have ever dreamed at the time…

The right to own and bear arms need to be protected that is for sure but only as much as there is need of protection from those willing or unstable enough to abuse those rights…
living next to someone with ammunition measure by the ton of unknown amounts stored in the home, in the basement, in the garage, and in a storage building, Is disturbing to the neighbors and to the local fire fighters that may one day be called to that home (if they even know about it)… hunters homes more explosive than any meth-lab… there just needs to be some established rules that protect with minimal infringement… no limits and no infringement is to not protect and that is no longer palatable either…

"hunters homes more explosive than any meth lab". Where do you get this stuff? certainly you don't own a firearm or if you do it is one seldom seen.
I've bee reloading, off and on, for 50 years give or take. the powder is safely stored and the containers won't let it blow but it will burn.
"tons of ammo" Really? under current circumstances having a supply is a wise move. No one has tons except in some comic book imagination from the leftists. I bet in my life I've never approached a quarter of a ton and that is over sixty years. Snappy sounds from the anti American group, huh.

Hunters and reloader's don't heat gasoline on a burner, they don't use chemicals that can kill you by simply breathing. I think a meth lab is far more dangerous.

Los Angeles Times wrote:
An apparent booze-fueled dispute over loud music between two groups at a Chino campground over the weekend escalated to the point where men from both sides drew guns and opened fire.

No one was hurt, but the two alleged gunmen have plenty to explain.

It turns out that the rival gun-toting campers were both Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies.

Well this thread certainly digressed from the original post.

That's the great thing about America; disagreeing doesn't make one "anti American". This thread wouldn't exist if it wasn't for some fools using their legal guns inappropriately.

JJBIRISH wrote:
Examples of 2 extremes that do nothing but divide… one wants , demands has rights with no more responsibility than the cash to pay for it… another claiming there is no automatic right…

The issues are not easy and the quoting of the founding fathers is almost laughable insomuch as they could have never envisioned the weapons available and where the line is or should be drawn today… and yes the line needs drawn in more definitive terms than the founding fathers could have ever dreamed at the time…

The right to own and bear arms need to be protected that is for sure but only as much as there is need of protection from those willing or unstable enough to abuse those rights…
living next to someone with ammunition measure by the ton of unknown amounts stored in the home, in the basement, in the garage, and in a storage building, Is disturbing to the neighbors and to the local fire fighters that may one day be called to that home (if they even know about it)… hunters homes more explosive than any meth-lab… there just needs to be some established rules that protect with minimal infringement… no limits and no infringement is to not protect and that is no longer palatable either…

"hunters homes more explosive than any meth lab". Where do you get this stuff? certainly you don't own a firearm or if you do it is one seldom seen.
I've bee reloading, off and on, for 50 years give or take. the powder is safely stored and the containers won't let it blow but it will burn.
"tons of ammo" Really? under current circumstances having a supply is a wise move. No one has tons except in some comic book imagination from the leftists. I bet in my life I've never approached a quarter of a ton and that is over sixty years. Snappy sounds from the anti American group, huh.

wintersun wrote:
... As for sheriffs, In California they are the bottom rung of the law enforcement ladder and are guys who could not get accepted by the state highway patrol or a city police department where the pay is much better. They are a small step up from a prison guard.

LOL!!!

A lot of people consider the highway patrol to be the bottom rung (besides the FBI). They just have a better PR dept.

Examples of 2 extremes that do nothing but divide… one wants , demands has rights with no more responsibility than the cash to pay for it… another claiming there is no automatic right…

The issues are not easy and the quoting of the founding fathers is almost laughable insomuch as they could have never envisioned the weapons available and where the line is or should be drawn today… and yes the line needs drawn in more definitive terms than the founding fathers could have ever dreamed at the time…

The right to own and bear arms need to be protected that is for sure but only as much as there is need of protection from those willing or unstable enough to abuse those rights…
living next to someone with ammunition measure by the ton of unknown amounts stored in the home, in the basement, in the garage, and in a storage building, Is disturbing to the neighbors and to the local fire fighters that may one day be called to that home (if they even know about it)… hunters homes more explosive than any meth-lab… there just needs to be some established rules that protect with minimal infringement… no limits and no infringement is to not protect and that is no longer palatable either…

down home wrote:

wintersun wrote:
Biggest problem is the crazy carry laws and reciprocal rights taking place. Anyone in the USA can apply for a Utah state carry permit that is valid in 31 other states so more Zimmerman's can go around shooting unarmed teenagers or anyone else they don't like. When people have a gun they are inclined to use them.

As for sheriffs, In California they are the bottom rung of the law enforcement ladder and are guys who could not get accepted by the state highway patrol or a city police department where the pay is much better. They are a small step up from a prison guard.

No one should have to apply for a carry permit. We(our Forefathers) specifically said shall not be infringed, in regards to owning and bearing arms. Zimmerman: they said he was innocent. Evidently you want him guilty. I have to leave it to the Jury. Almost everyone around here and most of America own firearms and a lot of them carry them.
The subject is our right to be able to protect ourselves from Predators whether it is a firearm or rock or baseball bat. Without arms we would all be subject to the rule by Predators. It is insulting to me and every other American that you think we should not have firearms or be able to protect our selves and that because we have firearms we will harm someone. It is that simple.

No one should have to apply to drive a car nor should they have to be a certain age to smoke, drink, etc.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

So my idea of "Happiness" isn't your idea of "Happiness", why should that matter?

I guess in Great Britain their Parliment is made up of "Predators" and the citizens are subject to rule by "Predators" since the citizens are not armed with guns. It seems to me a substantial amount of my tax dollars are spent on a standing militia and a police force. We should just disband them all and issue every man, woman, and child a firearm so we won't be ruled by "Predators".

I think you watch too many "End of the World" movies.

wintersun wrote:
Biggest problem is the crazy carry laws and reciprocal rights taking place. Anyone in the USA can apply for a Utah state carry permit that is valid in 31 other states so more Zimmerman's can go around shooting unarmed teenagers or anyone else they don't like. When people have a gun they are inclined to use them.

As for sheriffs, In California they are the bottom rung of the law enforcement ladder and are guys who could not get accepted by the state highway patrol or a city police department where the pay is much better. They are a small step up from a prison guard.

If you choose not to carry that is your right. Many law abiding citizens choose to carry. The laws are only crazy to those who don't like them. I know many, many, many who carry and they are no more inclined to use them than you. You never hear how a serious crime was averted by just the mere presence of a firearm If you look at the facts of those who have a ccw you would see that the misuse is extremely small compared to the many, many thousands who have them. You obviously don't like LE. Have you done a ride a long. There are always fools and idiots even with LE. Check facts and walk in there shoes. How do you know the deputies couldn't get hired by the state. I have had citizens, security guards be my back up, I am glad they had a firearm.