Lordstown/Camping world to make Electric EV's and class E MH

To fully top off a Mirai takes 10,000 psi.

Hi,

This is what concerns me about hydrogen fueling:

"Millenium Reign Energy’s Series 3 fueling station stores hydrogen gas in 24 one-kg carbon fiber and steel tanks at 6,500 psi. At that pressure, the dispenser will fill half a tank in a few minutes for a 150-mile range in the Honda Clarity and Toyota Mirai fuel cell cars."

free radical wrote:
Im not so sure Id want explosive hydrogen station near my house or anywhere on my street.
Btw WHAT is the price of that system?
If its not cheaper then solar why do it?

You may not want to hang your hat on the "cheaper" argument. It was not so long ago that solar was expen$sive.

RambleOnNW wrote:

Reisender wrote:
I don't know much about the hydrogen world and even less for its application in commercial trucking. But for cars, one of the huge attractions and conveniences of electric is having your fuel station in your garage...and of course the cheap cost of the fuel...and for some, the ability to manufacture the fuel at home..(you know, Sunlight :) ). I think all those things will play a role in the decision process when choosing between gas and electric. Kinda cool never having to go to a gas station and starting every day with a "full tank"

JMHO of course. :)

Obligatory shot of my driveway "gas station" and "filling my tank" :)

Electric self generation is great. Hydrogen can do that too:
https://www.stoneedgefarm.com/microgrid/

Thats pretty cool tech. Thanks for the link.

RambleOnNW wrote:

Reisender wrote:
I don't know much about the hydrogen world and even less for its application in commercial trucking. But for cars, one of the huge attractions and conveniences of electric is having your fuel station in your garage...and of course the cheap cost of the fuel...and for some, the ability to manufacture the fuel at home..(you know, Sunlight :) ). I think all those things will play a role in the decision process when choosing between gas and electric. Kinda cool never having to go to a gas station and starting every day with a "full tank"

JMHO of course. :)

Obligatory shot of my driveway "gas station" and "filling my tank" :)

Electric self generation is great. Hydrogen can do that too:
https://www.stoneedgefarm.com/microgrid/

Im not so sure Id want explosive hydrogen station near my house or anywhere on my street.
Btw WHAT is the price of that system?
If its not cheaper then solar why do it?

Reisender wrote:
I don't know much about the hydrogen world and even less for its application in commercial trucking. But for cars, one of the huge attractions and conveniences of electric is having your fuel station in your garage...and of course the cheap cost of the fuel...and for some, the ability to manufacture the fuel at home..(you know, Sunlight :) ). I think all those things will play a role in the decision process when choosing between gas and electric. Kinda cool never having to go to a gas station and starting every day with a "full tank"

JMHO of course. :)

Obligatory shot of my driveway "gas station" and "filling my tank" :)

Electric self generation is great. Hydrogen can do that too:
https://www.stoneedgefarm.com/microgrid/

I don't know much about the hydrogen world and even less for its application in commercial trucking. But for cars, one of the huge attractions and conveniences of electric is having your fuel station in your garage...and of course the cheap cost of the fuel...and for some, the ability to manufacture the fuel at home..(you know, Sunlight :) ). I think all those things will play a role in the decision process when choosing between gas and electric. Kinda cool never having to go to a gas station and starting every day with a "full tank"

JMHO of course. :)

Obligatory shot of my driveway "gas station" and "filling my tank" :)

Hi RambleOnNW,

Your graph is a little out of date. The latest LI is a solid state battery with twice the energy density of existing LI. It is apparently dendrite free when doing super charging.

Since consumption is 2 kwh per mile doubling battery capacity either halves the size (and weight) of the battery bank--or doubles the range.

USA being left behind may be why there is a push to get back to the moon.

We saw something like this at Harris Ranch the last time we were thru there. (Not my pic) I think it was Hydrogen. Didn't have time to check it out and we were walking the chihuahua. So how does this work. Is it a self pump affair or does an attendant have to come out?

Thanks in advance.

pianotuna wrote:
RambleOnNW,


False is kind of harsh. Perhaps out of date might be more correct.

The trucks in Europe only travel 248 miles before requiring refilling. Your own argument is that we need something that is longer range. Tesla has a 300 mile range on the smaller semi tractors and 500 miles on the larger.

I'm not a hydrogen fan. At this time there is essentially no truly green hydrogen production.

At the same time BEV's were not though possible ten years ago and now are a pleasant reality.

I keep hoping that Sono motors will make a go of it.

Hi PT, lithium batteries have relatively little energy capacity by volume and especially weight compared to hydrogen. Scroll down on this link to the the graph of range vs volume:https://www.garrettmotion.com/news/media/garrett-blog/hydrogen-fuel-cells-vs-battery-electrics-why-fuel-cells-are-a-major-contender/

I’m not concerned with the issues around hydrogen. We deal with reactive substances all the time like gasoline, propane, natural gas. And materials engineering capabilities have never been greater.

I fear that the day is coming where the US will be left behind because the rest of the world may no longer want US LNG but instead wants liquid green hydrogen.