New guy with towing question.

7,406 trailer w/o stuff (propane, battery, betcha no spare either) will have the
tongue weight more than the brochure #933....as most brochure weights are from
the stripper (curb for the TV and dry for the trailer)

Figure 12% or more of the trailer weight will be the actual tongue weight

Another is the TV's rear GAWR...another betcha it is in the +4K to maybe +5K range

Again, look at the diagram and the center point vs where the weight from the
Fiver/Tongue will be. Most of it on the rear axle center line on a fiver and way
behind that on a tongued trailer

Your post represents the vast majority of folks who own a half ton or want to
keep in the half ton because of DD/MPG and the biggie...ride quality. Heavens, it
is a truck, not a car...

Why said first decide if you believe in the ratings or not.

Then weigh it and the whole setup "axle by axle"

Benk. In last post I stated my TV weight of 6040# with 36gal of fuel,and couple hundred pounds of stuff in the backseat. That only leaves me with 1160#. The TT sits at 7406# with no propane/battery. Definitely pushing boundaries with TV. I have seen the light. Just not sure if I'm smart enough not to buy the rig. Now I have to think about trading in the TV.

OBTW...forgot to touch on your comment of not wanting to hear 'half ton' vs bigger

Most all 'half ton' have +4K to +5K rear GAWR

Most 3/4 ton and larger have +6K rear GAWR, except for the fake 'half ton', which
does have +6K rear GAWR

Then look at the diagram and note that towing a fiver or tongued has most of
the trailer weight on the TV's rear axle

That is the main difference between the 'P' class tired TV vs 'LT'
class tired TV's

'P' class tire is a 'passenger' tire

'LT' class tire is a 'light truck' tire

Ricjr76 wrote:
Opinions wanted. I have a '2012 f150, 145"wb. ecoboost, 9400#tow cap.

This is the MTWR (max tow weight rating) and
is out of context without knowing your TV's weight

Gvwr 7200#,1660# max payload.

This is the middle GVWR of half tons and that 1660 payload is based
on a stripper model (curb) and is out of context until you know your
TV's actual weight

Looking to buy a Denali Dutchman 289RK. Unloaded 7436#, 2244# cargo cap. 33'8" length. 933# hitch wt. Looking for opinions if its a safe combo. Not really looking for the half ton three quarter ton debate. I know the trailer is on the bigger size. Thanks for taking the time to help.

Welcome to the forum

First decide if you believe in the ratings system or not

If not, then do whatever but know that the contract from the TV OEM is
no longer valid. As they will void it if they find out you did not follow
their specifications

If you do, then read up/learn HOW2 figure it out. You will need to
weigh your half ton (half tongs range in GVWR from +6K to +8K pounds)
Axle by Axle. Most folks only refer to marketing verbiage...like 'half ton'
which ranges from +6K to +8K GVWR. Ditto MTWR, payload, etc...out of
context without knowing your actual weights.

Then gather your TV's OEM ratings: GVWR, F/R GAWR, GCWR

Ditto the trailer's GVWR and actually weigh it. If you don't have it
yet, then either use the GVWR or a guesstimation, but know you will
not know where you are in reference to the ratings

Here is a diagram showing how the ratings system looks like in how
they stack up against each other

Then do the simple math to figure out where you are in reference to
your ratings

howmuchcanitow howmuchshoulditow

I often find myself in a hotel or apt. for a couple months at a time, a few times throughout the year for work. I am mainly off work during the summer. There are campgrounds in the vacinity of almost all our job sites. Ten yes ago I owned a 21'scamper. Used it for 5mo.on a job. Sold it. Felt like I was in jail. Always wanted another one. Was looking at a rockwood ultralight 2703ws emerald. truck would have no issue. Now this Denali, better suited towards the colder weather, I can't quit looking at. I would be primary user for most of the year with no more than a couple hundred miles at best being traveled at a time. Minimal gear. Than for the summer I would park it at a local lake for use with the Mrs.and little one. Not wanting to replace the truck immediately but the trailer at an incredible price won't be there forever. Thanks for the knowledgeable info.
Just went to the scale. Me,full tank of gas,about 250# worth of stuff in the backseat. 6040#. Limit for truck is 7200#.

You really needed to get the 8200 GVWR F150.

I don't need a 31 foot TT . Do you ?
I don't know if you are a weekend camper or full time .
For me the best TT is the shortest one that will do the job .
A 21 foot has the same number of toilets, showers, sinks , furnaces, refers, water heaters , propane tanks , batteries , etc. as the 31 foot.
We camp outside .
The TT is for sleeping and when foul weather hits .
We do use a couple of EZ-UP qwik-shades in addition to the awning .
The shorter trailer requires less tow vehicle such as an f150 .

Since it's an F150 receiver and not a GM 1/2 ton receiver, I don't think tearing off the vehicle will be a problem. Despite that fact, it's too much trailer IMO. You could do it but won't be much fun.

Ricjr76 wrote:
This same truck with max tow option has a 2000# payload. Would that make it a tad more feasible? Just asking, trying to understand all the numbers.

Max tow might help the rear suspension, but it won't strengthen the attachment of the hitch receiver to the body. Exceed the hitch weight rating by much and you risk tearing the receiver off. Can you picture your trailer careening down the highway by itself?

Again whats the axle weight?

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