Propane and gas

SuperDutyMan wrote:

jalichty wrote:
Superduty, you are the first person I have heard say he got better mileage with ethanol infused gasoline. Most of the folks I have read about claim fewer miles per gallon and decreased power.

What in the world were you reading!! I said I get better milage and power with the pure gas (WITH NO ETHANOL)....??? I swear some of you guys can't read......and everyone knows,or should, when you say moisture,ethanol absorbs water way more than gas,so as it absorbs more moister,that means theres more moister (water) in the gas and that's what corrodes the fuel system ,especially small engines..if you ever saw a sprint car on ahcohol,the motor literally sweats,as far as the guy criticizing my punctuation,you're one of the reasons I don't post much......

That's funny because the way I read it you were saying you preferred gas with "E".

Here is what you wrote, I interpreted as meaning you were getting better better milage and the power.
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"he moister in the ethanol,screws up all the carbs.,but I really like it in the truck,it gets such better milage and the power is better also"
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Someone mentioned that you are having a problem with punctuation and you got offended. Maybe the reason some of us got confused was the punctuation.

Dakzuki wrote:
In fact ethanol blended gas has some advantages. The days of rusted out fuel tanks and corrosion within the the fuel system have largely gone. Water goes into solution with alcohol and goes right through your fuel system as part of that solution.

Yes but just 1 or 2 percent (What Amoco/Standard used to call "De-Icer" in the winter here in the great frozen North) is all it takes to do that, e-5 is too much for that.

There is evidence that if you have run E-0 (no booze in tank) for a while there may be varnish build up and such on the fuel system, and then you put in e-10 or more and the varnish may be dissolved, flake off and do bad things to injectors, metering jets and the like.

I do not think that modern vehicles designed for E-10 or E-15 or better yet e-85 which have never had E-0 in the tank have this problem... I also do not know that they do not (In short I do not know).

Mercury Outboards (To distinguish from the Mercury/Ford company) did some tests with E-15, They ran a bunch of motors 300 hours as I recall (may be off on the time) half on E-0 half on E-15, save for the one running E-15 that failed before the test was done.

They then tore them down and analyzed the wear and tear.

All the engines with E-15 had serious wear and tear issues the E-0 engines did not..

Now many argue "That was E-15" and they are right, but if it's happening at 15% you can bet it's happening at 10. UNLESS THE ENGINE IS DESIGNED FOR IT. And then, see "I do not know" above.

SuperDutyMan wrote:
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Next I go to the local big gas station,and my neighbor had told me they just got a pump that is pure gas,no ethanol,
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SuperDutyMan - I know western PA is a large area - but could you tell me where and what this gas station with pure gas is????

SuperDutyMan wrote:
... I swear some of you guys can't read.......

Calm down there cowboy. This ain't our first campfire. If you want peeps to read your posts "clearly," then you need to post your thoughts CLEARLY. You typed about 300 words continuously with no periods!

Don't expect someone to read and clearly understand your gigantic run-on and fragmented post, when you yourself fail to use proper punctuation.

That is all. Carry on.

jalichty wrote:
Superduty, you are the first person I have heard say he got better mileage with ethanol infused gasoline. Most of the folks I have read about claim fewer miles per gallon and decreased power.

What in the world were you reading!! I said I get better milage and power with the pure gas (WITH NO ETHANOL)....??? I swear some of you guys can't read......and everyone knows,or should, when you say moisture,ethanol absorbs water way more than gas,so as it absorbs more moister,that means theres more moister (water) in the gas and that's what corrodes the fuel system ,especially small engines..if you ever saw a sprint car on ahcohol,the motor literally sweats,as far as the guy criticizing my punctuation,you're one of the reasons I don't post much......

That ethanol will kill your injector system and eat out the gas lines. :S :B I feel better now

Dakzuki wrote:
The days of rusted out fuel tanks and corrosion within the the fuel system have largely gone.

Plastic gas tanks, fuel pumps in tanks, fuel injection, and elimination of the need to change the gas filter have as much or more to do with less fuel system issues. Unlike the old days, fuel systems are pretty closed now.

Campfire Time wrote:
Wow, wish we were paying $3.35. Its $3.99 here. Every time it drops to $3.75, they jump it back up to $3.99. Refinery issues they claim. Its all a crock.

wny_pat wrote:
That ethanol will kill your injector system and eat out the gas lines.

Please provide documentation to back that up. Or are you talking about E-80? We've been on E-10 for well over 15 years. I've never even heard of a vehicle where E-10 "killed the injector system or ate out the gas lines". My trailblazer has 150k on it, my last Suburban is now owned by my dad and has 180k on it. No issues with gas lines or injectors.

wny_pat wrote:
It also lowers your mpg and gives you less power.

Absolutely true.

In fact ethanol blended gas has some advantages. The days of rusted out fuel tanks and corrosion within the the fuel system have largely gone. Water goes into solution with alcohol and goes right through your fuel system as part of that solution. It no longer settles in lows spots or moves around in blobs (unless you get A LOT of water like in a really bad load of gas). I remember the "good old days" or rust flakes blocking intakes, filters, and other rusty tank issues....like holes in them.

Wow, wish we were paying $3.35. Its $3.99 here. Every time it drops to $3.75, they jump it back up to $3.99. Refinery issues they claim. Its all a crock.

wny_pat wrote:
That ethanol will kill your injector system and eat out the gas lines.

Please provide documentation to back that up. Or are you talking about E-80? We've been on E-10 for well over 15 years. I've never even heard of a vehicle where E-10 "killed the injector system or ate out the gas lines". My trailblazer has 150k on it, my last Suburban is now owned by my dad and has 180k on it. No issues with gas lines or injectors.

wny_pat wrote:
It also lowers your mpg and gives you less power.

Absolutely true.

jalichty wrote:
Superduty, you are the first person I have heard say he got better mileage with ethanol infused gasoline. Most of the folks I have read about claim fewer miles per gallon and decreased power.

X-2 That ethanol will kill your injector system and eat out the gas lines. It also lowers your mpg and gives you less power.