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3000W Chinese Gensets Info.

professor95
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professor95 wrote:
EDIT ADDED 45/5/2013- When this thread started in March of 2005, I never expected to see it survive this long or amass the quantity of information that has been shared here.

In the eight year run of this thread we have amassed almost 10,000 postings and surpassed a million views. This creates somewhat of a dilemma for anyone who has just discovered the forum.

Since the amount of information is virtually overwhelming, I suggest you set your preferences for this thread to read "newest first" and then begin to page backwards.

What you will find in these pages is a wealth of info on virtually any make or model of Chinese manufactured synchronous (non-inverter) generator in the 3,000 watt performance class. Info will include how to rewire series coils to parallel to obtain maximum wattage from a single 120 volt outlet. Tips on further reducing sound levels, how to care for these generators, which ones are "RV ready" and provide the best overall performance for the dollar invested. Which companies NOT to deal with, where the best prices are, how to safely wire the generator into a home or RV, how to check your RV for electrical faults, sources for generator accessories, which 20/30 adapters are safe to use and which are not. How to convert a gasoline generator to propane or NG. This is only the beginning. The forum has a life of its own with the focus sub-topic switching frequently. Still, the main topic of utilizing the amazing, inexpensive Chinese gensets is always there. The amount of creativity and innovation presented in these pages is indicative of the talents shared in the diverse backgrounds of the folks who make up our combined RV community.

Many of the original brands and models of Chinese gensets mentioned in the introduction and early pages of the thread have since disappeared. New EPA and CARB emissions requirements, company bonds assuring the emissions warranty will be honored even if the company goes out of business, and fierce competition in the industry have changed the playing field. Champion Power Equipment has become the apparent "trophy team" providing an ever expanding retail outlet, an ample parts supply, a strong warranty and excellent customer service. CPE has continued to improve their product and now offers a new model (#46538) with exclusive convenience, safety and performance features aimed at the RV market. Big names like Cummins/Onan, Honda and Generac all now have Chinese built open frame synchronous gensets available. Ironically, the prices often found on these gensets has not significantly changed during the past eight years - even with the devaluation of the American Dollar and new EPA/CARB requirements.

I also encourage you to use the search function and even the advanced search options to find information. Key works such as "rewiring", "PowerPro", "Champion", "Onan Homesite", "Duropower", "ETQ", "Jiung Dong or JD", "Tractor Supply", "Costco", "Lowe's" and "Home Depot" are all examples of keywords that will give you specific information on different models being sold by retailers today.

Or, you can fill your glass with your favorite beverage (keep more close by - maybe some munchies as well :D, sit back at your computer, tell your wife (or significant other) that you will see her in the morning and spend the next 10 or so hours reading through the postings.

No one on the forum gets mad if you ask a question that is a repeat. Please do not hesitate to post to the forum. All questions are considered important and those active on the forum will do their best to respond with a valid answer.

Also note we are not out to knock the Honda, Yamaha, Kipor or other brands of high end digital gensets. We recognize the quality of these products and their suitability for quite, efficient RV use. But, there is a flood of reliable, inexpensive and comparatively lower cost gensets coming out of China that are excellent alternative choices for the RVer wanting power to run an air conditioner, microwave, etc. without excessive noise or breaking the budget.

Oh, one last thing. The folks on this forum are true gentlemen. We do not flame one another or the product discussed - period. Ugly contributors usually have their comments and remarks ignored by our masses. It is not a forum to start arguments to obtain a clear win. We do disagree on many issues, but we have all agreed to do that in a respectable manner.

We now have the introduction of more and more inverter gensets. There is a rather extensive thread named "The Official Unofficial Champion 2000i Generator" on this forum. Today, I added info on the new Champion 3100i inverter genset. Discussion on this product may get moved to its own thread at a later date.

Many have looked upon this thread with distain saying Chinese is cheap and doomed to failure. I remember saying exactly the same thing about Japanese products a few decades back. But, over the past eight years the track record for Chinese built generators has shown otherwise.

Please, join us in a fascinating journey down the Chinese built genset road of knowledge.

This is the question I posted that got it all started back in March 2005.......

Randy


For a little over a month now, I have been somewhat intrigued by the availability of a 3000 watt, 6.5 HP generator at Pep Boys and Northern Tool for under $300.00. The engine on this generator looks identical to a Honda 6.5 HP OHV engine. Knowing that the Chinese have become very adept at โ€œcloningโ€ reputable technologies from other manufacturers, I was not surprised at the similarities. Neither store could give me any information on the generator nor did they have a โ€œrunningโ€ display model.

I have done a little research. This is what I have discovered:

Many of these generators are imported by ELIM International (www.eliminternational.com) out of Buffalo, New York from Jiung Manufacturing in China. (The unit at Northern is identical but carries the JIUNG name.)

The engines are indeed a Chinese knockoff of the popular 6.5 HP 196cc Honda Engine. โ€œSupposedlyโ€ Honda has licensed the engine technology to the Chinese manufacturer of the product.

The Chinese company that makes the ELM3000 generators is a rather large, diverse, long-standing company with a reputation for โ€œabove average qualityโ€ Chinese made products (Jiung Manufacturing). There are many more Chinese companies making almost identical gensets.

The generators at PepBoys do have a six month limited warranty. But, it is only on the engine (not the generator) and requires paying for shipping to and from Buffalo. Probably not a very practical thing to do if you have warranty issues.

ELIM does supply replacement parts (a PDF parts manual is available on the ELIM web site). No prices are given for replacement parts nor is there an โ€œavailability listingโ€.

The generator head itself is a brushless design. The only really significant wear parts in the generator are the bearings โ€“ most likely universally available.

The published dB rating is 67 at 23 feet. This is โ€œreasonablyโ€ quite for a generator of this size as most comparabl.... The 67 dB rating is the same as Honda gives their 3000 watt CycloInverter with a โ€œlook alikeโ€ eng...






















Professor Randy T. Agee & Nancy Agee. Also Oscar, the totally ruined Dachshund.
2009 Cedar Creek 5th Wheel - 2004 Volvo VNL670 class 8 MotorHome conversion as toter.
Turbocharged, 12L, 465 HP and 1,800 ft. Lbs. of torque.
10,029 REPLIES 10,029

Gulfcoast
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A QUESTION PLEASE...

I have a China-made generator from Harbor Freight that works perfect, but I'd like to buy a Champion also.

I see that Tractor Supply has them, anywhere else?

Thanks for your help!
RV'ing since 1960
Dodge Cummins Diesel
Mega Cab
Jayco Travel Trailer

geshields
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toprudder wrote:
geshields wrote:
Just got our toy hauler and am looking at getting a generator for it. Our toy hauler is a MXT300. I would like the generator to be able to power the air conditioning and all lights, etc. over the summer.

Is there a large difference in real output between the unit from Tractor Supply(3500/4000W)(no wheels) and Lowes(3000/3500W)(has wheels)? I am leaning towards the one from Lowes for the convenience of having wheels but do not want it to underperform as far as powering the A/C, etc. in the hot Texas summers. I do not care if the microwave and the A/C cannot be ran at the same time...

I have the MXT20. Smaller than yours, but I think they have the same 13.5k AC. I have the unit from Lowe's and it has NO problem running the converter and AC at the same time. It also fits perfectly in the tray on the tongue, though I carry mine in the bed of my pickup.


Thank you. We just used our toyhauler for the first time this past weekend and we absolutely love it.

Off to Lowes to get a Generator...
2011 Ford F250 Lariat 6.7L
- Firestone AirBags
- Firestone Wireless Controller
- Superglide 18K
2011 Raptor 365LEV

toprudder
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geshields wrote:
Just got our toy hauler and am looking at getting a generator for it. Our toy hauler is a MXT300. I would like the generator to be able to power the air conditioning and all lights, etc. over the summer.

Is there a large difference in real output between the unit from Tractor Supply(3500/4000W)(no wheels) and Lowes(3000/3500W)(has wheels)? I am leaning towards the one from Lowes for the convenience of having wheels but do not want it to underperform as far as powering the A/C, etc. in the hot Texas summers. I do not care if the microwave and the A/C cannot be ran at the same time...

I have the MXT20. Smaller than yours, but I think they have the same 13.5k AC. I have the unit from Lowe's and it has NO problem running the converter and AC at the same time. It also fits perfectly in the tray on the tongue, though I carry mine in the bed of my pickup.
Bob, Martha, and Matt.
Tucker, the Toy Poodle
'09 K-Z MXT20, '07 Chevy 2500HD Duramax

Toprudder.com

geshields
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Just got our toy hauler and am looking at getting a generator for it. Our toy hauler is a MXT300. I would like the generator to be able to power the air conditioning and all lights, etc. over the summer.

Is there a large difference in real output between the unit from Tractor Supply(3500/4000W)(no wheels) and Lowes(3000/3500W)(has wheels)? I am leaning towards the one from Lowes for the convenience of having wheels but do not want it to underperform as far as powering the A/C, etc. in the hot Texas summers. I do not care if the microwave and the A/C cannot be ran at the same time...
2011 Ford F250 Lariat 6.7L
- Firestone AirBags
- Firestone Wireless Controller
- Superglide 18K
2011 Raptor 365LEV

Salvo
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Congratulations Randy! Nice wheels!

Take a trip out West (with your dual sport motorcycle) and we'll explore some desert trails.

Sal

TKMJ
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Hey Professor! Any plans for carving up the dashboard? It looks really basic 18 wheel. What kind of goodies can you stuff in there?

Old___Slow
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Prof,

Your idea of bringing along the golf cart starts the wheels turning. My golf cart has 6x8volt batts and with a gen could be a REAL power plant. It's always parked near the MH. So with a gen, WOW. Planed on adding a gen so I would never be stranded around the lake. The old legs are more than SLOW. Is it true the gen inverters produce 48 volts DC to the module?

Floyd

professor95
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Wgeorge11 wrote:
I'd keep one camera pointed up if you're planning on using that shelter. Congratulations!


The photo is deceiving. The truck is forward, going up a slope. Therefore it looks much taller than the fiver. Both the fifth wheel and the truck are the same height (13'3"). The RV port is 15 feet at the center, 12 at the sides. The Volvo will drive through. In fact, if the weather stays this nasty I plan on putting it under the RV port and putting some tarps up on the sides so I can do some electrical work. The turn signal and tail lights on the Volvo are separate, the fiver combined. In 2004 Volvo started controlling the truck lighting from a computer. Actually pretty cool because when a light is out the DID (Driver Information Display) immediately tells you which light to replace. Anyway, the Hoppy converter doesn't work with the Volvo lighting computer so I have to build one using Bosch mechanical relays that have a coil. The coil provides enough resistance for the computer to "think" it is a lamp filament. It is snowing! So, I built up the module this afternoon. Now I get to install it and hope it works.

The Volvo was 1/2 full of fuel when I picked it up. That's 150 gallons. Yes, it holds 300 gallons and will take a second mortgage to fill it up. The DID has a fuel mileage function and a really neat bar graph showing where the economy range is. The 200 miles from Roanoke to home has a lot of steep inclines to pull. I think I can actually improve on the mileage on level Interstate.

As far as the APU goes I am thinking at this point that I may take the Champion Chinese genny out of the 5th wheel and mount it on the Volvo along with a large bank of AGM batteries weighing about 600#. This would get some weight off the front camper jacks. Obviously, there is plenty of room on the back of the Volvo for generators, golf carts, batteries, tool cabinets and maybe even a small motorcycle. I also have a huge space under the passenger side lower fairing for batteries or even holding tanks if I decide to put a small sink in the sleeper area (which I probably will do).

My only gripe is the color of the interior - mauve. But, I guess I can live with that since it is clean and in good condition. It is really no different than driving a big motor home or bus.

Professor Randy T. Agee & Nancy Agee. Also Oscar, the totally ruined Dachshund.
2009 Cedar Creek 5th Wheel - 2004 Volvo VNL670 class 8 MotorHome conversion as toter.
Turbocharged, 12L, 465 HP and 1,800 ft. Lbs. of torque.

MrWizard
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I envy the on road MPG, thats going to be a sweet setup when finished , yeah right who are we kidding, your never finished, you just keep on tinkering and changing/improving things.

when are you going to but some real travel mileage on those items ?
I can explain it to you.
But I Can Not understand it for you !

....

Connected using T-Mobile Home internet and Visible Phone service
1997 F53 Bounder 36s

ol_Bombero-JC
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That darn Oscar!
What a *dog* - couldn't keep a secret.
Think that Beagle's name is "Mac".

C'mon Prof, you don't have to worry about staying "on-topic"!

We're way ahead of you . . . this is bound to - - "generate" (couldn't resist!)
a foray into diesel fueled Chinese gens for "same fuel" APU.

Congrats on joining "the dark side"!

JC

Wgeorge11
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I don't covet much, Professor, but you sure know how to test a mans'
metal. Nice house car, great torque and a generator too boot. I'd keep one camera pointed up if you're planning on using that shelter. Congratulations!
Traveling companion

Old___Slow
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Congrats, to the 'up and comer' pretty lucky dogs. :C

quabillion
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I spend every day of my life trying to understand that other people in this world do things differently than I do.

professor95
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ol Bombero-JC wrote:
Hmmmmmm - things have been kind of quiet here for a while!

A Beagle in the neighborhood heard a rumor from Oscar . . . .the Prof has a new rolling "doghouse" he's been tinkering on? :W

Care to fess up, Prof?

~


Looks like you can't keep anything a secret in cyberspace ๐Ÿ™‚ I was only planning on making a subtle change in my signature to include the "new doghouse" on wheels.

It's a 2004 Volvo VNL670 Heavy Duty Truck (HDT) 465 HP, 1,625 ft. lbs. of torque and an amazing 11.5 MPG. Full sleeper cab that will be modified so that it can be registered as a "RV or House Car".

It will have a Chinese generator as part of the APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) which will include an inverter and maybe even some solar panels (still working on that design). The RV fifth wheel hitch, light converter, electric brake controller and two additional CCD cameras are ready to be installed (if the weather gets better).

It is totally awesome and other than the height, really is not that much bigger than the Dually PU on the road. Turning radius is about the same! Easy to drive and I am quickly getting the hang of the 10 speed. I've been using it as my daily driver all week - grocery store, doctor, Lowe's, etc. The cab has an air suspension as well as the seats. Inside rides like a car. I now see why truckers like to pull up beside pretty young ladies in convertibles at traffic lights. You have a high chair to the world below you!

I did mention using a Chinese generator as part of the APU - didn't I? I just don't want for this to be off topic :).



Professor Randy T. Agee & Nancy Agee. Also Oscar, the totally ruined Dachshund.
2009 Cedar Creek 5th Wheel - 2004 Volvo VNL670 class 8 MotorHome conversion as toter.
Turbocharged, 12L, 465 HP and 1,800 ft. Lbs. of torque.

ol_Bombero-JC
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Hmmmmmm - things have been kind of quiet here for a while!

A Beagle in the neighborhood heard a rumor from Oscar . . . .the Prof has a new rolling "doghouse" he's been tinkering on? :W

Care to fess up, Prof?

~